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This should tell you a lot
We can also do this - Q+A on X back and Forth or I might consider a live stream Q+A with the right host Look these guys talk a lot of hyperbole, they are very loose with risk (your risk) - they are well paid ambassadors/ pro poker players taking money off others - so let's expect them to at least stand up and take on a Q+A when asked (which in Pads case he undertook anyway "hold me accountable"
by Megloooo m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59286562#post59286562)
What was the todd whittles post about on twitter? I cant find it
Post no: 2548 in CPs dedicated thread, I think that is the one you are referring to.
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59286498#post59286498)
what started this whole thing with coin was me trying to point out to them the misrepresentation they were making with the 100% rakeback promo - I had 0 rakeback to get I wasn't playing but I'm active on social media
Hi as you tweeted in March, CoinPoker did give 100% rakeback in line with what was marketed.
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My name is Teddy, for about 25 years i worked in the finance sector of the UK. That went well so i was fortunate enough to retire and now spend my days pottering about playing poker and chatting on 2+2 forum which is the reasoning behind this post. To credentialise myself, ive worked representing both for and against companies involved in the biggest financial scandals ever seen. That was literally my day job for many a year. I’ve been on CoinPoker for a while now, prob about a year i think. I’ve found it fine, deposited and withdrawn in crypto without drama, and watched the site evolve through market ups and downs. Sometimes withdrawls were a bit slower than dsired but on the whole not an issue. I I also find i general the "feel" of playing on there v v good. Ive also found the customer service top notch both via email and via the rep on here. Over last few months ive noticed that ive been defending coinpoker on this forum more and more. Primarily some chap known as "transparency" appeared on the forum. I argued with him quite a bit about his allegations against CP. Still do in fact , but thats fine, we are grown adults capable of disagreeing. Then he gave me a paper he had put together and i agreed to review it. I sat down and read it Some readers will dismiss it as a hit piece written by someone hunting for scandals and i think thats kinda due to his previous ranty nature on 2+2 and on X, both of which ive argued with him about. Turns out though, its actually a pretty impressive, well thought out, paper. The report is a mirror, sometimes unflattering, that the poker community is holding up to CoinPoker. And yeah well im old enough and been through enough to know ignoring the mirror is rarely a winning strategy. We've seen it all before havent we, when we all ignored or turned blind eye to full tilt throwing their cash about like lunatics, or when Russ set himself up as a superuser and stole millions from us all, we all left it too late to ask questions those times. The dossier doesn’t make wild allegations as i expected when he said he was going to email me; it actually lets the facts speak. So fair play to him, i underestimated what it would be, my bad dude! Several parts stand out as worth addressing: Security and disclosure after the 2024 hack: In November 2024, CoinPoker’s hot wallet was drained of roughly $2 million across Ethereum, BSC, and Polygon. The attacker moved fast and used Tornado Cash. Fireblocks, the security partner, publicly stated the breach stemmed from CoinPoker’s own configuration and third party deposit processes, not their system. The report correctly notes that players were not informed at the time. In an industry where “not your keys, not your coins” is gospel, radio silence during a seven figure incident is quite frankly mental. that was just a bad mistake however we look at it. But whatever, CP did fix it i guess so coulda been a lot worse. Opaque ownership and corporate structure: The report traces connections through public records, investigative journalism, and ex-employee accounts to ClickOut Media Ltd (Malta) and Finixio Ltd (UK), . CoinPoker has never confirmed or denied this in clear terms. For a crypto poker site that markets itself on freedom and decentralisation, keeping the actual decision makers hidden feels contradictory and risky. Players have every right to know who ultimately controls the platform holding their funds. I get that the ambassadors for the site (Mario and Pads in particular) are stand up guys, i dont dispute that for a moment, but ffs, the current status at this time is that CP owner (unknown as they wont say who the boss is) could v literally rug pull at anytime and we are all fu**** with no recourse to it. Now i know everyone will say "oh they wont do that, they arent that type" but unless we know who the flipping heck they are thats all worthless! We, the players, are quite litterally giving millions and millions of pounds to an unknown individual and the entire safety net backing that is v literally "trust us bro". That ladies and gentleman is utterly and totally, undeniably, ridiculous. Software origins and past operator history: The March 2026 “revolutionary” new client appears to be based on technology from ********** (shuttered after India’s 2025 gaming ban), a connection first reported by industry outlets and never publicly acknowledged by CoinPoker. The dossier i was sent also surfaces prior regulatory warnings and marketing controversies linked to the apparent parent entities in adjacent verticals. While some of this is pre-CoinPoker history, it contributes to the overall risk perception and links back to above concerns about "who the hell is holding my money?" Itr ridiculous enough that an unknown entity holds the power in the first place but to then discover the only names vaguely hinted to be in that position are companies that have v literally rug pulled previously, well thats just silly now really isnt it. Regulatory grey areas and suppression patterns: The site’s Anjouan licence is functional but offers limited player recourse compared with stricter jurisdictions. T&Cs prohibit UK and US players on paper, yet the site happily accepts them a common offshore workaround that leaves everyone in a legally ambiguous spot. Indeed its a spot where my past 30 years of work in the finance sector of the UK comes in useful and why i feel i have a right to voice an opinion on this matter. I kinda get why CP dont want to ever answer anyone when asked on the forum "are UK players allowed". Of course they cant answer than without dropping themselves right in it from regulatory point of view, thats fine, its cool they allow all to play in reality. Problem is of course is they also have to have in their own T&Cs that UK and USA players are specifically banned. Which takes us right back to the outrageously overhwhelming issue of an unknown person literally being the puppet master to all of this. Not only can the unknown owner rug pull us if he (or she) wished but he will be legally covered when he does so as the T&Cs tell us that. The paper i was sent about CP goes on much longer but those are the main point i felt were worth talking about. I promised the sender that i would not publish his paper and i shall therefore commit to that. I may well have disagreed with him a lot over the past few months but hes always open and honest with his thoughts and i, and indeed we all should, respect that and as i state above, he does make some valid points here. A open discussion/ explanation to these points is indeed required by coinpoker as otherwise, we would all be fools to even vaguely risk a 'full tilt version 2' occuring. These issues aren’t invented. They’re documented, public, and in my view deserve direct, transparent engagement rather than deflection Despite the above, my personal track record with CoinPoker remains strong. Customer service has consistently been the fastest and most helpful I’ve encountered across any poker platform crypto or fiat. When I’ve had questions or minor issues, responses have been prompt, human, and solution oriented. The bot purge in January 2026 (98 accounts banned, $156k refunded) showed the team can act decisively when problems are highlighted. And the new platform, while it launched with the usual teething issues, represents a genuine investment in improving the player experience. Financial distress signals in2026 are worrying in any business, but especially one holding player funds.The real risk isn’t that CoinPoker is uniquely evil it’s that opacity and silence turn manageable concerns into existential ones. Doesnt matter how manner times you say "trust us bro"....Eventually people start wondering what you’re hiding .A practical path forward CoinPoker has built something that thousands of us still enjoy and trust with our action. The games are fun and i do believe their heart is in the right place, im rooting for them. . But the trust deficit on ownership disclosure, incident communication, withdrawal consistency, and long term stability is real. These are fixable issues if the team chooses transparency over silence.
My modest proposal: CoinPoker, ambassadors, Mario, Pads etc... it’s time to deal with the community directly dudes, and i promise you guys im rooting for you i really am. Why wouldnt i, i want you to be a success and i think youve done absolutely brilliant so far with CP so please...lets make this a win/win for all parties..Answer the fair questions raised by.. Explaining the ownership structure. Detail the post-hack improvements and future security measures. Clarify the current financial health. Address the T&Cs versus actual player base reality. Show us the updated Proof of Reserves. ( i get this one is tricky btw) And commit to better, proactive communication when things go wrong. I’m happy to host a neutral Q&A live stream, written format, or both. As someone who has defended the site when it deserved defending and who recognises that some of these concerns are valid, I’m in a good position to moderate fairly. The goal isn’t to make anyone look bad or foolish, its to show the world that actually Coinpoker are great. The table is open, Let’s talk. Cheers Teddy
by Coin_poker m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59286674#post59286674)
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59286498#post59286498)
what started this whole thing with coin was me trying to point out to them the misrepresentation they were making with the 100% rakeback promo - I had 0 rakeback to get I wasn't playing but I'm active on social media
Hi as you tweeted in March, CoinPoker did give 100% rakeback in line with what was marketed.
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ONLY AFTER it turned into a PR nightmare - that wasn’t your intent (pure rakeback 100% per player whole month) but yes you did give in to pressure
Hey guys coinpoker is withholding my funds about 3K for more than 24 hours for multi-accounting. I didn't know about this ToS. I created 2 previous accounts but doom switch activated on them so decided to make a new account. It doesn't matter. I never cheated. Its crime they keep my funds like this. They can simply flag the account immediately or prevent its creation entirely instead of allowing me to play and run it up then confiscate it's absolutely criminal. They intentionally make it like this so they can steal people money. I have been vomiting because of this. It's a lot of money to me. Who cares if I made two new accounts without knowing the ToS, now I know I will never do that again. But imagine if someone deposit 5K in a 2nd account, is allowed to play for months, run it up to 100K, then they confiscate the funds in the same manner. This is illegal crime. Why they don't prevent the creation of 2nd account or freeze it immediately, refund the user, send them warning? You can never keep the funds like this it's insane. Please help me guys I need my money.
by superuser82 m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59291149#post59291149)
Hey guys coinpoker is withholding my funds about 3K for more than 24 hours for multi-accounting. I didn't know about this ToS. I created 2 previous accounts but doom switch activated on them so decided to make a new account.
That's a standard rule on every poker site. Interesting that Transparency / Pokerbots1 tweeted your posts (leaving out the multiaccounting bit) as an attack on Coin.
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You've already been replied to over email based on your other thread too, so within one day.
Now they need you to reply with your ID docs and then investigate you haven't cheated or anything like that. If you haven't, then they might close one (two?) accounts and transfer funds to one single acct.
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by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59291255#post59291255)
That's a standard rule on every poker site.Interesting that Transparency / Pokerbots1 tweeted your posts (leaving out the multiaccounting bit) as an attack on Coin.You've already been replied to over email based on your other thread too, so within one day. Now they need you to reply with your ID docs and then investigate you haven't cheated or anything like that. If you haven't... See full post
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59291283#post59291283)
... I'm answering here as that thread seems to have issues with logging in continually - same details as here but doesn't work again ...
You are the only user I have ever heard about having problems with changing to different forums or threads. Here are the links to both forums on the old style forums and the new style forums: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/di... (https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/discussion-poker-sites/) https://twoplustwo.com/Discussion-of-Pok... (https://twoplustwo.com/Discussion-of-Poker-Sites) https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/292/o... (https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/292/online-poker-sites/) https://twoplustwo.com/Online-Poker-Site... (https://twoplustwo.com/Online-Poker-Sites) Obviously, your password is the same for both styles. Fwiw, most readers are still using the old style.
Transparency, when you show an image like the one above titled The Connection, where is this from? Who wrote that? Knowing the source is very important...
Schizos losing their mind on the internet always good for laugh ��
Coinpoker honeypot scammers still withholding my 3K for almost 48 hours and aggressively requesting KYC despite how they are promoting themselves as instant withdrawals, anonymous, no kyc, etc.
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Steal 3K from innocent person who never cheated in any way just because "hey bro multi-accounter" Give it 1-2 years, mass exodus, liquidity crunch, millions stuck in honeypot. Coinpoker founders already on the run and asking people for kyc to commit more fraud.
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59291724#post59291724)
I'll make my point with or without their or anyone else's feedback [Uploading Image...] ... See full post
always knew this guy was a narc.
by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59291418#post59291418)
Transparency, when you show an image like the one above titled The Connection, where is this from? Who wrote that? Knowing the source is very important...
Care to answer this Transparency ? Also, when you show something posted on X account pokerbots1 like it supports your story do you think its transparent for everyone that you are in fact pokerbots1 on X ? So its not a second source and doesnt add more credibility.
Again, thats you right? All the "sources" you quote are also written by you correct?
Now you are linking actual other sources And to be fair, there are a lot of red flags. And they dont seem rushing to answer those queries. This isnt evidence but it certainly doesnt look good on them. Liquidity isnt guaranteed and if you from US/UK you get even less clarity. Play at your own risk, beware the rug pull situation.
Interesting video. Exactly they should answer "yes" or "no" regarding players from USA and UK.
by Cubeblue m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59299318#post59299318)
Interesting video. Exactly they should answer "yes" or "no" regarding players from USA and UK.
They wont and this is why. In interests of transparency i am the "Duxier" who posted this. https://x.com/Tduxier/status/2053139650345152580?s=20 X (formerly Twitter) Duxier (@Tduxier) on X (https://x.com/Tduxier/status/2053139650345152580?s=20)
I should add, whilst retired now, i spent 20+ years working within the legal and tax sector. Indeed i was HMRC inspector for 10+ of those years. CP have created a HUGE multi million dollar mess for themselves here. If you read my previous posts on this forum you shall see i was always defending them and wanted them to succeed...until i researched a bit more. At which stage i realised the problem and promptly withdrew my money from them and asked them to close my account as i've no desire to be anywhere near such a business.
I got scam by coinpoker and 2+2 delete my topic. I deposit 1000 early march reach 5000 try withdraw, now account freeze investigation for a few days can't withdraw. I ask why by email, they say supsicious activity and investiation and force me kyc. I join site cause I see instant withdraw no kyc. I feel horrible cause I grind so hard now all my time and work steal my money.
by astroboy26 m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59304981#post59304981)
... 2+2 delete my topic. ...
Your first post is still in the correct thread, where you posted it four days ago. The other two copies you posted elsewhere were deleted.
the reality is what's seen and said not some afterthought between you and PALO privately "oh I was actually doing this" as a get out
If you just look at the Discord before Palo said that, some Discorders had said they were having issues with their accounts getting blocked, sometimes they were blocked on mobile but not PC, etc. It was a new technical issue Palo wasn't aware at the time so he was wondering if they were blocked for multiaccounting. The messages are all still there. Then he has never stated anything like that at any other point in years, nor has as single other mod or admin on the server since its inception, which you don't mention instead you just show a pic of one message without any context leading up to it.
Exclusive: CoinPoker's Anti-Cheat System Raises Privacy Red Flags Over Full-Desktop Screenshots, Remote Access, Data Security & KYC leakage
more on: https://pokerindustrynews.com/features/c... (https://pokerindustrynews.com/features/coinpoker-anti-cheat-spyware-remote-access-kyc-leaks/) Can you comment?
by CorrectSide m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59331110#post59331110)
more on: https://pokerindustrynews.com/features/c... (https://pokerindustrynews.com/features/coinpoker-anti-cheat-spyware-remote-access-kyc-leaks/) Can you comment?
their shills have been surprisingly silent, and support ignores the issue like it will go away meanwhile the supposed "poker media" ignores the isssue because they are too busy slinging this spyware for affiliate revenues or don't REALLY care about the poker community, I suppose.
by JeffPesos m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59331145#post59331145)
their shills have been surprisingly silent, and support ignores the issue like it will go away meanwhile the supposed "poker media" ignores the isssue because they are too busy slinging this spyware for affiliate revenues or don't REALLY care about the poker community, I suppose.
what are you going to do about?
by CorrectSide m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59331110#post59331110)
more on: https://pokerindustrynews.com/features/c... (https://pokerindustrynews.com/features/coinpoker-anti-cheat-spyware-remote-access-kyc-leaks/) Can you comment?
looks like coinpoker filing fake DMCA requests to try to put the genie in the bottle
https://x.com/PokerNewswire/status/2068308809726976366 X (formerly Twitter) Poker Industry News (@PokerNewswire) on X (https://x.com/PokerNewswire/status/2068308809726976366)
They own a lot of poker media sites eg CardPlayerMedia PokerScout, pokerfirma, PokerStrategy - so i doubt the story makes it there either.
I just got banned for 24 hours from CP offical discord server for posting: Quote: Exclusive: CoinPoker's Anti-Cheat System Raises Privacy Red Flags Over Full-Desktop Screenshots, Remote Access, Data Security & KYC leakage more on: https://pokerindustrynews.com/features/c... (https://pokerindustrynews.com/features/coinpoker-anti-cheat-spyware-remote-access-kyc-leaks-updated/) BEWARE OF LYING AND SCAMMING SITE COINPOKER
fake DMCA takedown: https://x.com/PokerNewswire/status/2068308809726976366 X (formerly Twitter) Poker Industry News (@PokerNewswire) on X (https://x.com/PokerNewswire/status/2068308809726976366)
Still no update on the uncertified RNG https://x.com/pokerbots1/status/2068975152017072221s=46&t=zFsbCrKAVQfkimbZvSEy-A[image]RxIkYnz.jpeg[/i
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by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59331808#post59331808)
Still no update on the uncertified RNGhttps://x.com/pokerbots1/status/20689751... (https://x.com/pokerbots1/status/2068975152017072221s=46&t=zFsbCrKAVQfkimbZvSEy-A)[image]RxIkYnz.jpeg[/i...]... See full post
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Why do I feel like someone is talking to themselves with multiple aliases. Nonetheless CoinPoker should adress the privacy article where it says... "Reverse-engineering & site's own anti-cheat documentation shows crypto gambling site can see much more than your hand histories including banking details, passwords & more" Because this isnt something minor if true
by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59343883#post59343883)
Why do I feel like someone is talking to themselves with multiple aliases. Nonetheless CoinPoker should adress the privacy article where it says... "Reverse-engineering & site's own anti-cheat documentation shows crypto gambling site can see much more than your hand histories including banking details, passwords & more" Because this isnt something minor if true
No multiple aliases - all questions worthy of an answer - instead moved “out of sight” so the playing public are kept in the dark
And these aren’t “minor” issues that post on Brazil was as much a warning to influencers/ ambassadors they aren’t insulated [image]kOVdJsR.png[/im
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No multiple aliases - all questions worthy of an answer - instead moved "out of sight" so the playing public are kept in the dark
Your posts have been getting moved to this containment thread since April, as you threatened to kill the 2+2 mods, bragged about driving people to suicide with your 'campaigns', and you don't play on Coin - the main thread is supposed to be for players, many of whom also wanted your posts moved elsewhere - but you use it just to post anything negative you find about Coin as you have a personal grievance against the site for 4 months now. And it's linked in the main thread by someone else. So you're lying again. Someone's banned = you retweet it, having no idea what the story is, you see a negative news article = you post it here, not knowing any background to the story. You see a sort of negative youtube video = you post it here (the podcast you linked has since had 2 Coin ambassadors on the show fwiw) Coin's major competitors don't even bother running an official thread that they post in on 2+2, only Coin does - it's not intended to be a platform for you to get attention, it's for players to get updates etc.
by CorrectSide m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59331796#post59331796)
I just got banned for 24 hours from CP offical discord server for posting:
Well it's linked on the Discord, if I search the article URL it's on there in the main chat channel. by CorrectSide m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59331797#post59331797)
fake DMCA takedown
There's no actual evidence that took place fwiw, anyone can make a screenshot that doesn't show anything (sender info isn't present)
by CorrectSide m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59331110#post59331110)
more on: https://pokerindustrynews.com/features/c... (https://pokerindustrynews.com/features/coinpoker-anti-cheat-spyware-remote-access-kyc-leaks/) Can you comment?
The original source by the way is 'CoinPoker Hands (F**K THE FISH) @CPHands' on X who runs a Coin datamining site and sells the scraped HHs for $400/mo, out of a personal grievance against Coin going back a long time. He writes the name of the alleged owner of Coin publicly on the homepage of his datamining site mocking him as a 'losing reg' with his full name as like an example screenname to market his product. And then jokes about that on X.
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The article picked this story up from his X, they reply to his post asking him to DM them the info on Jun 18.
The site that article is on also has called Coin 'shady' before and published many negative articles on it, everyone involved already has personal issues with Coin, including unethical dataminers - the kind of people Transparency should be exposing.
On Reddit where CPHands posted this too (Jeff Pesos alias, same guy in the main 2+2 thread claiming 'the source is definitely true' when he is the source, without mentioning that) most of the comments about it are not concerned, the most upvoted ones say that it's not abnormal across the poker industry.
Since no one seemed to care he then linked it to someone who just won a $2 freeroll, telling him not to play on Coin. And links it to many people on X who say anything positive and unrelated to this about Coin at all.
So this is all clearly quite malicious.
That aside, I'm not an expert on this but from a quick search it seems normal, many sites have the ability to screenshot your desktop if they want.
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346000#post59346000)
No multiple aliases - all questions worthy of an answer - instead moved "out of sight" so the playing public are kept in the dark... See full post
Your posts have been getting moved to this containment thread since April, as you threatened to kill the 2+2 mods, bragged about driving people to suicide with your 'campaigns', and you don't play on Coin - the main thread is supposed to be for player... See full post
“Threatened to kill the 2+2 mods” - that is a very serious allegation, totally unfounded. I would ask that your account is immediately closed by 2+2 mods for that libel with a retraction statement added below this post - unless they want to attach themselves to the publication of it (you can of course supply your “evidence” of it to them but without that evidence …. Which doesn’t exist it’s cut and shut libel and they should retain all data they have on you, I may want it ) If someone decided to head for the rope as they were doing business with me IRL, tried to pick my pocket and then didn’t like the ramifications of that, that’s tough As for players getting updates the issues haven’t been addressed far from it and it’s not only me that’s asking, you can shill all you want but that’s the position
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346046#post59346046)
"Threatened to kill the 2+2 mods" - that is a very serious allegation, totally unfounded. I would ask that your account is immediately closed by 2+2 mods for that libel with a retraction statement added below this post - unless they want to attach themselves to the publication of it (you can of course supply your "evidence" of it to them but without that evidence .. Which does... See full post
Sure, 2+2 deleted it obv but here:
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by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346002#post59346002)
by CorrectSide m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59331796#post59331796)
I just got banned for 24 hours from CP offical discord server for posting:
Well it's linked on the Discord, if I search the article URL it's on there in the main chat channel. by CorrectSide m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59331797#post59331797)
fake DMCA takedown
There's no actual evidence that took place fwiw, anyone can make a screenshot that doesn't show anything (sender info isn't present)
And your so so full of shit “anyone can make a screenshot” which is exactly the “evidence” you provided when there was a discussion about multiple accounts - that was your “evidence” a screenshot that it was a “set up” to catch multi accounters And IF the software doesn’t carry this spyware why are you the person to dispute it - easy for Coin to issue a statement loads of people across X and the Coin Discord have been asking ? Or why don’t they take legals ? None of that happens it’s deflect/disappear Anyway I’m not wasting any time on a clown like you
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346049#post59346049)
Sure, 2+2 deleted it but here, mainly first pic ... See full post
Thanks for that - there is no substance to your allegation “claimed to kill 2+2 mods” it’s completely baseless, and it’s down to 2+2 to see if they want that allegation to remain in the public domain . As stated they should retain all your data
You write there 'my next campaign will be the 2+2 owners and mods if this continues (about them moving your posts to this containment thread) After explaining your previous campaign in which you drove someone to death, which you also boasted about on X. Seems quite clear cut to me?
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346053#post59346053)
You write there 'my next campaign will be the 2+2 owners and mods if this continues (about them moving your posts to this containment thread) After explaining your previous campaign in which you drove someone to death, which you also boasted about on X. Seems quite clear cut to me?
That’s cause your an idiot My “next campaign” (which btw was reference to how I felt/feel 2+2 is handling this with the moving of posts relating to coin and how I might of commented on that more widely in public) you somehow are able to link that to making a threat to kill 🙄 And the guy that hung himself, he didn’t like the legals I put him through and took the easy way out - I didn’t kill him that was his own doing and I was following a perfectly legitimate legal claim against him So “seems cut and dried to me” your a clown - and that allegation is sitting in the public domain on this forum … that’s down to the 2+2 owners As for “everything has been answered by ambassadors” go back to la la land with that statement
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346050#post59346050)
And your so so full of **** "anyone can make a screenshot" which is exactly the "evidence" you provided when there was a discussion about multiple accounts - that was your "evidence" a screenshot that it was a "set up" to catch multi accounters And IF the software doesn't carry this spyware why are you the person to dispute it - easy for Coin to issue a statement loads of peop... See full post
Anyone can go back to the Discord and read the messages before and after, and check everything that was ever said since, regarding that thing. You could email CoinPoker and post what they say about it in this thread? Most posts they make here you screenshot it and try to twist it on social media, or you pass off photoshop images as their own statement. Half the people demanding a reply on 2+2 (where other poker sites don't post) are you and the datamining guy, then there's 2 others who aren't aware of the history of people involved which I just posted above.
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59317587#post59317587)
For example before this someone had said his account was working on iOS but not PC. Show us anywhere on the Discord anyone's ever recommended multiaccounting as you claimed? You've gone from maybe having 1 or 2 legit concerns in March - which other players have moved on from, Bencb addressed one recently - to just outright lying and becoming the unethical thing you claim you are fighting
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by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346057#post59346057)
EVIDENCE - you absolute 🔔 Go get your EVIDENCE this is what you said (attach the screenshots) and then show how it’s FALSE (not like your libellous threat to kill, actual EVIDENCE, there are over 1000 posts on X not all coin but there’s loads to go at so go get it ) You just don’t like it that’s your problem
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346059#post59346059)
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59317587#post59317587)
For example before this someone had said his account was working on iOS but not PC. Show us anywhere on the Discord anyone's ever recommended multiaccounting as you claimed? You've gone from maybe having 1 or 2 legit concerns in March - which other players have moved on from, Bencb addressed one recently - to just outright lying and becoming the unethical thing you claim you ar... See full post
He’s clearly talking about people having more than one account and I believe it was you (I just don’t have time to trawl through it now) that said “oh I talked with him and he was trying to bait multi accounters “ - two things in that the statement totally backs me up as it fully endorses this was about multi accounting - what it DOESNT do as it was made AFTER I posted about it, it doesn’t mean that was the true position - it could just of been a very convenient excuse (There it’s attached as a screenshot it was you and you’ve just made my point for me)[image]cyXMMOp.jpeg[/i
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A new bug which had come up that day, of accounts saying 'something went wrong' or 'you are blocked' which was happening in March a lot, as it was a new thing so he first tries to check if they're just multiaccounting or not 5 mins later when it's clear they're mean this new bug, he asks for their usernames to send to support
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And some more from the convo before that.
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show us any clear instance of a mod recommending multiaccounting? If it existed you'd have posted it, and there would be many examples? It's been months.
Like I said you once might have made 1 or 2 reasonable points months ago but then you just started lying about everything out of spite. There's nothing wrong with the site, ok the rake is a bit high but it's also soft and players are getting high rakeback -
by BigBananas
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June I raked 2850, got 2848 coins accumulated. Rewards earned for the month was 2418, and then i got 56$ from missions. not sure if they are auto included into rewards or they went str8 to my cashier?? but anyways, this is like 85%+ RB no?
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346067#post59346067)
A new bug which had come up that day, of accounts saying 'something went wrong' or 'you are blocked' which was happening in March a lot, as it was a new thing so he first tries to check if they're just multiaccounting or not5 mins later when it's clear they're mean this new bug, he asks for their usernames to send to support And some more from the convo before that. Anyway sho... See full post
Nothing there does anything for your story He clearly asks a question in my original post about people having more than one account with no caveat that there was any issue in that You then try and weave in “email us” with extra commentary that didn’t exist and use as defence his defence to you after the fact “oh I wanted to catch multi accounters” Now do me a favour and do one - you want to come with clear cut EVIDENCE of things posted that were FALSE you go compile a full list not some back and forth like this and I’ll consider responding to you if I have time because right at this moment I’m far better devoting my time to suing you tbh
You made the allegation, so show us anything on the Discord that is as you claim? While you're there check a few days before Zamani's tweet, another thing you tried to claim was suspicious. Coin has been nice to not sue you imo, especially after you faked an announcement by them using their logo / font which would've caused them harm presumably. It's surprising. Or maybe you actually helped the site grow, there are more players lately. Some major casinos did grow by cultivating this kind of 'hate watch effect' I hear. Anything to go viral, then new players stick around when they realize it wasn't legit criticism, as they're now aware of the brand. If you were a marketing stunt this whole time, hats off to Coin I've been trolled.
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346073#post59346073)
You made the allegation, so show us anything on the Discord that is as you claim?While you're there check a few days before Zamani's tweet, another thing you tried to claim was suspicious. Coin has been nice to not sue you imo, especially after you faked an announcement by them using their logo / font which would've caused them harm presumably. It's surprising.Or maybe you actu... See full post
It’s IN YOUR SCREENSHOT you just want it to mean something different than what it ACTUALLY says - and what you don’t see is all the communication I had directly with Coin at the time of the Bot Refund telling them it was social media suicide to do what they were doing - they couldn’t even get the wording right it flipped between we’ve refunded to we will be refunding and btw where are the bots now, they all taken care off ? No more refunds since - not one public announcement or refunds by coin EVER before or after the Zamani video just that one within 24hrs (and there are people in my inbox who allege Coin had something to do with that video in the first place - who knows but it would explain why they’d be talking to you numptys just before it about refunds) Coin has been nice not to sue me ? You really think so do you ? They know EXACTLY who I am, there’s no niceness in it The “announcement” you talk about was a factual representation of coins terms - it was absolutely meant to shock and I’m perfectly happy I’m legally sound on it - remember the only harm it could of done them was with UK and USA players … and they aren’t allowed on the site LEGALLY or by coins terms so there was no harm - you starting to understand how the legals work now ??
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346013#post59346013)
The original source by the way is 'CoinPoker Hands (F**K THE FISH) @CPHands' on X who runs a Coin datamining site and sells the scraped HHs for $400/mo, out of a personal grievance against Coin going back a long time. .
err maybe he does it for $ and because he can? there are plenty of datamining threads on 2+2 ... including for coin. this is after all an illegal criminal operation - not a legal poker site. - so who cares if he scrapes the data + sells it ? it's been going on for 20 years. maybe he's calling out coinpoker b/c they are shady ****s - for the good of the poker community - so they remove their excessive spyware - and the plugged in for the future FULL remote access..
by JeffPesos m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346079#post59346079)
err maybe he does it for $ and because he can? there are plenty of datamining threads on 2+2 ... including for coin.this is after all an illegal criminal operation - not a legal poker site. - so who cares if he scrapes the data + sells it ? it's been going on for 20 years.maybe he's calling out coinpoker b/c they are shady ****s - for the good of the poker community - so they... See full post
Ok so he or you (same username on Reddit and same profile pic as CP Hands) have an agenda - that the site is 'criminal' and you're doing a 'good for the community'. The article itself also ends with 'if' and 'assume' - it doesn't make a conclusive statement, presumably to cover itself legally, like Transparency often caveats 'it might be all solid'. Also other rooms have similar strong anti-cheat measures, as the articles says online poker 'needs'. 'Who cares if someone scrapes HH data and sells it'? That is much more criminal to the poker community surely than an offshore operator (one of many) allowing people to play a game of skill in their home, when they don't have other options to play at.
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by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346070#post59346070)
... right at this moment I'm far better devoting my time to suing you tbh
I'm looking forward to seeing the headlines: "Anonymous user on a poker forum suing another anonymous user for libel". Maybe you'll win one cent for damages to your reputation, without legal costs awarded? Perhaps you might be more successful if you post your RL name and ask him to repeat his post, using his RL name?
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346088#post59346088)
There he goes again “way more unethical than coin” just attached to me like that - what is it did they send you over from the discord with the promise of a $5 tournament ticket ? Your just a full blown wanker mate, just last night after a guy had reached out to coin support and numerous ambassadors for a day having issues onboarding without any response from any of them did I walk him through how someone in his location COULD get their funds onto the site AT THEIR OWN PERIL - it’s for everybody to make their own mind up, I try and be as factual as I can, caveat where necessary and just lay it out for people - you on the other hand look at something and make it what your tiny little mind wants it to say and no doubt what you’ll hope will buy you some kudos with coin You want to know the biggest issue now for me - the people behind and driving Coin are STUPID and I hate stupidity- they are stupid if they are bent or straight because whatever angle they are coming from they’ve made a pure balls of it And the Ambassadors, a chocolate fire guard would be more useful
by Mike Haven m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346094#post59346094)
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346070#post59346070)
... right at this moment I'm far better devoting my time to suing you tbh
I'm looking forward to seeing the headlines:"Anonymous user on a poker forum suing another anonymous user for libel".Maybe you'll win one cent for damages to your reputation, without legal costs awarded?Perhaps you might be more successful if you post your RL name and ask him to repeat his post, using his ... See full post
When you make allegations like that you don’t get to stay anonymous very long Mike - but he’s the guy reckoning an Illegal Offshore Poker Site are being generous not suing me for possibly driving away some of their U.K. and USA customers that they aren’t allowed to service either by those Countries Laws or their own Terms And Conditions 🙄
@jspill So is the pokerindustrynews website that published the article or the writer David Burke in any way affiliated with Transparency / Jeff Pesos? Does the site have a vendetta versus coinpoker and if so, why? (because i cant see it on the site which looks ok) You say we dont know the background to the story, and that is true, so I would like to ask you what the relevant background is so I know whether to take this article serious or not. FWIW, I am not affiliated with the other names ITT an dont have anything out for CoinPoker. I just thought it would be helpful and interesting if CP made a clear statement about the article instead of the bitchfight between you and Jeff&Trans.
by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346118#post59346118)
@jspillSo is the pokerindustrynews website that published the article or the writer David Burke in any way affiliated with Transparency / Jeff Pesos?Does the site have a vendetta versus coinpoker and if so, why? (because i cant see it on the site which looks ok)You say we dont know the background to the story, and that is true, so I would like to ask you what the relevant backg... See full post
There’s nobody affiliated with me here and there’s only one account on 2+2 and the same goes for X one account pokerbots1 And the CoinPoker rep wasn’t about since it came out, then all the stuff got moved over into this “containment thread” and now they are back posting today - and as you’ll notice Slugant you got blanked when you asked about it So instead of wondering who’s linked to who why don’t you seek your truth from CoinPoker publicly - don’t let anyone focus on who wrote it or why - all you need to know is is it true that they have this much over reach - and remember this would be to catch multi accounters and bots etc so where’s all the refunds to players on that, there’s certainly people posting about being accused rightly or wrongly I don’t know but there’s money being held where’s it going ? And then look at the way they dodge every issue - and that’s where their defenders come unstuck because maybe someday they need an answer and they get blanked too
by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346118#post59346118)
@jspill So is the pokerindustrynews website that published the article or the writer David Burke in any way affiliated with Transparency / Jeff Pesos? Does the site have a vendetta versus coinpoker and if so, why?
He follows Jeff / CPHands on X, the site unethically datamining CoinPoker players' hands, which came up with this 'story'. He follows from the PokerIndustryNews website's X (@pokernewswire) which he also owns (as his Muckrack says, he has 2 X accounts). He replied to CPHands within an hour on June 18 asking him to DM the info over, then the article was written. They post in a similar way, this aggressive accusatory tone at anyone randomly writing about CoinPoker for any reason, all in lower case.
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That was under an article Poker Industry Pro did about CoinPoker partnering with a Live tournament series, the Battle of Malta, not even a positive article, that site is not affiliated with Coin. It's just normal journalism that Battle of Malta partnered with Coin - they used to partner with GG (Burke covered that partnership, but not the Coin one)
Loads of positive articles about GG on the site btw, and CPHands loves Negreanu on X.
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This is under Andrew Neeme just sharing his own results playing on the site:
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by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346128#post59346128)
So instead of wondering who's linked to who why don't you seek your truth from CoinPoker publicly - don't let anyone focus on who wrote it or why - all you need to know is is it true that they have this much over reach - and remember this would be to catch multi accounters and bots etc so where's all the refunds to players on that, there's certainly people posting about being ... See full post
You screenshot everything for content on X, but despite that it's hard to find a site more communicative than Coin that responds this much, they responded to you in the main thread, and in your other thread about the 100% rakeback thing (which you were also wrong about). Which other sites bother to post this much on 2+2? Even with trolls trying to undermine them - like when players were genuinely banned for multiaccounting that they admit it, you still show up in the thread trying to trash Coin. You were replied to, you even had your own VIP manager girl who you posted screenshots of sending abusive messages to, and the CoinPoker rep replied in your other threads, and the main thread to you - it was just never good enough, you always moved the goalposts - 'well how about this thing I read on Reddit that I choose to believe, that competitors might have written in one of the most cutthroat industries out there!'
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346145#post59346145)
by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346118#post59346118)
@jspillSo is the pokerindustrynews website that published the article or the writer David Burke in any way affiliated with Transparency / Jeff Pesos?Does the site have a vendetta versus coinpoker and if so, why?
He follows Jeff / CPHands on X, the site unethically datamining CoinPoker players' hands, which came up with this 'story'.He follows from the PokerIndustryNews website's... See full post
Put names on “he” could mean anyone
It's in his question - Burke. I don't think those guys are connected to Transparency - who I think is just a disgruntled player that lost and is angry at life and latched onto some personal crusade of 'exposing Coin' and when it didn't go well you started lying and being the unethical one. But CPHands / Burke are obv friends, ironic that someone who would call Coin shady follows a datamining site.
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346147#post59346147)
Show me what I’ve screenshotted and misrepresented ? You don’t like it cause there’s so much of it it’s never ending - “every issue had been addressed” just get fucked with that one and your like the pink hair brigade “vip manager girl sending abusive messages to” are you having a laugh ! Firstly she’s probably an alias with a fake profile and if not in our lengthy discussions on many things (you know like giving micro stakes players a break on rake etc ) “she” asked for directness ie fuck the language get to the point I never moved any goalposts the goalposts were set from the start, THEY (padsleonard) said they’d have a proof of player funds always available - addressed .. no? They slated blank box rng then quietly switched to it without their own certification and 4mths after launch still don’t have it - addressed no.., They had a security flaw with the desktop when launched … addressed AFTER someone else broke the story, after Caitlin posted about it, after they said there was no issue, AFTER all that they had to admit there was a problem but they fixed it AFTER but luckily nobody we know off lost anything and pads had to roll back and do a 5k charity donation - they misrepresented the 100% rakeback in march addressed AFTER there was uproar THEY are the gift that keeps on giving I and others have to keep pointing it out and there’s plenty more I just can’t keep on with this now YOU are full of absolute shite and I’m sorry if you’ve nothing better to do than defend a Company and people that had links to directing websites for cancer and children’s charities to gambling portals, launched dodgy Indian software onto the market with security issues aplenty (never mind btw the APP which has to be continually deleted and re installed fuck knows what it’s doing in the background on peoples phones), removed the oversight on players funds so nobody knows where all this marketing spend is actually coming from, nobody knows what the fairness of the RNG is they use, nobody has any protection whatsoever under their vague and contradictory terms and marketing just “trust us bro” and their history is chequered and linked to other things people got rugged on - you know what that’s enough for now I can’t be arsed communicating with you there’s plenty of content out there you have specific queries maybe they’ll get answered but these broad accusations levied at me that’s just noise to cover for these clowns - and if you think you coming on here to run interference for them does them one bit of good at all well more fool you and them if they sent you
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346097#post59346097)
When you make allegations like that you don't get to stay anonymous very long Mike - but he's the guy reckoning an Illegal Offshore Poker Site are being generous not suing me for possibly driving away some of their U.K. and USA customers that they aren't allowed to service either by those Countries Laws or their own Terms And Conditions
More threats from you, trying to doxx people (or worse?) by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346165#post59346165)
This won't end well, they are either wrong uns or clueless
You decided on the former and maliciously tried to get the site closed down, tagging regulators in various countries and doxxing the alleged owners, because it gave you personal satisfaction, you enjoy these harassment 'campaigns' as you said yourself. It's more likely the latter, just being a bit inexperienced because it was a very small site. It has ended well for them though, they are now much larger
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346149#post59346149)
It's in his question - Burke.I don't think those guys are connected to Transparency - who I think is just a disgruntled player that lost and is angry at life and latched onto some personal crusade of 'exposing Coin' and when it didn't go well you started lying and being the unethical one.But CPHands / Burke are obv friends, ironic that someone who would call Coin shady follows ... See full post
It’s in his question asking about 2 people one of whom me and you you lazy c*** you just use “he” “Started lying and being the unethical one” - where’s the lies tell me, where’s the PROOF not some bullshit of “well he said this in public but when challenged in private after the fact he gave me this excuse and that makes everything alright Coin are great”
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346013#post59346013)
The original source by the way is 'CoinPoker Hands (F**K THE FISH) @CPHands' on X who runs a Coin datamining site and sells the scraped HHs for $400/mo, out of a personal grievance against Coin going back a long time.
Why does he have a grievance against Coin?
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346175#post59346175)
It's in his question asking about 2 people one of whom me and you you lazy c*** you just use "he" "Started lying and being the unethical one" - where's the lies tell me, where's the PROOF not some bullshit of "well he said this in public but when challenged in private after the fact he gave me this excuse and that makes everything alright Coin are great"
I was clearly talking about the poker industry news website and the article author David Burke To give me reference about how trustworthy this site & article is
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346157#post59346157)
launched dodgy Indian software onto the market with security issues aplenty (never mind btw the APP which has to be continually deleted and re installed **** knows what it's doing in the background on peoples phones)
See you just pivot to 'what about this stuff I read on Reddit that anyone could write, in the cutthroat casino industry', and exaggerations. The minor security thing from March - WolfSec0x0 praised CoinPoker after and said 'players are in good hands' and it had a 'top notch response' but of course you don't mention that. Of course a brand new software launch might make mistakes, every site does. It's an offshore crypto poker app on the App store, of course there will be hiccups with the app as well, it's disingenuous to then claim it's doing something to people's phones, just because people might need to reinstall it from time to time.
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346167#post59346167)
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346097#post59346097)
When you make allegations like that you don't get to stay anonymous very long Mike - but he's the guy reckoning an Illegal Offshore Poker Site are being generous not suing me for possibly driving away some of their U.K. and USA customers that they aren't allowed to service either by those Countries Laws or their own Terms And Conditions
More threats from you, trying to doxx peop... See full post
You doxx yourself when you make allegations like that - that’s the malicious intent But seemingly I’m malicious for Informing regulators - when in those countries it’s the site that’s breaking the law Doxxing the alleged owners - it’s no secret alleged owners Miranda and Grunwerg so what ? This is a poker site with a player bankroll attached acting in a very shady manner As you said I decided it was the former - that’s my decision but you show me anything illegal in my actions vs theirs 😂 And it hasn’t “ended well” - March was a giveaway 100%, there’s only been 3mths trading since then and nobody knows the state of the finances under the hood - will it still be around in 12mths in any real sense? who knows we’ll see - was it a wasted opportunity by them to have done something great - ABSOLUTELY whatever way the cards fall
by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346180#post59346180)
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346175#post59346175)
It's in his question asking about 2 people one of whom me and you you lazy c*** you just use "he""Started lying and being the unethical one" - where's the lies tell me, where's the PROOF not some bullshit of "well he said this in public but when challenged in private after the fact he gave me this excuse and that makes everything alright Coin are great"
I was clearly talking abo... See full post
Yes “ pokerindustrynews website that published the article or the writer David Burke in any way affiliated with Transparency / Jeff Pesos” And numbnuts responds with “he” when you asked about 2 parties affiliations so all he had to do was use “Burke” or “Pesos” - I had to read it myself half a dozen times to get what he was alleging in his response
by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346179#post59346179)
Why does he have a grievance against Coin?
I'm not sure, it seems to be that they are unregulated, not WSOP/GG other sites they like, and something personal with the alleged owner (doxxing him on his homepage and X).
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And they also seem to be quite into SEO and tech as they have a network of poker/casino sites and do all this 'analysis' (and datamining), there are a few other sites and X accounts they own who also tweet in the same way about CoinPoker. One of them is tweeting about how Triton regulars are broke, interesting as Coin partnered with Triton recently - they tweeted at Triton before in an angry way when that was announced
And they've often tweeted that Coin apparently 'bought the poker media' so perhaps it's jealously that some site like Coin comes along and so quickly 'takes over' or whatever, in their view.
But if that's true those sites willingly sold to Coin, and it's standard for any company to try and dominate the market if they can, there isn't anything inherently unethical in that, PS obv bought PNews and took 7 years to admit that, but no one really cared except people in the industry.
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346182#post59346182)
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346157#post59346157)
launched dodgy Indian software onto the market with security issues aplenty (never mind btw the APP which has to be continually deleted and re installed **** knows what it's doing in the background on peoples phones)
See you just pivot to 'what about this stuff I read on Reddit that anyone could write, in the cutthroat casino industry', and exaggerations.The minor security thing... See full post
NO you’ve got the PR version Minor security “thing” Wolfsec raised Caitlin, I and many other shared CoinPoker came out and said it was all rubbish Ambassadors told Caitlin it was rubbish there was no threat THEN they backpedaled and admitted there were actual security flaws that could of left customers exposed (after categorically stating there was NO threat) and Pads made his 5k donation and apologised to Caitlin - and Wolfsec said they handled it well no doubt as he got a bug bounty (which he’d of been entitled to) That’s not how it should be done - they didn’t own it from the start quite the opposite - and if you read anything I’ve written on these guys it’s that way with everything - that’s how it pans out with them historically - they don’t own issues and the right thing only gets done under pressure Anyway can either of you Slugant or Jspill say now today that that report on the spyware is false? That we all know that there’s some monitoring of certain limited things but on CoinPoker has there been an overreach and can they do everything that report states ? Can you ? Where’s the CoinPoker official statement dissecting that report ? What can the App do what authorities does it have ? Because your in here arguing and you don’t know - if the author of the report is talking nonsense then coin should say and long long before now
He said players are in good hands and their response was top notch and every poker platform should be held to the standard Coin met. That's not the PR version it's what happened, and every poker site faces issues like this especially if they undergo a software migration - there are viral issues right now with a major competitor of Coin, and you are silent about it. I won't mention it out of respect to them but it's all over X today.
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by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346200#post59346200)
He said players are in good hands and their response was top notch and every poker platform should be held to the standard Coin met.That's not the PR version it's what happened, and every poker site faces issues like this especially if they undergo a software migration - there are viral issues right now with a major competitor of Coin, and you are silent about it. I won't menti... See full post
Of course he did AFTER the fact and no doubt with his bug bounty CoinPoker “no security risks” Patrick Leonard the day after the initial Wolfsec report “however the fact remains there were potential vulnerabilities “ It’s all good PR by Coin to downplay it … well not even downplay try and call it a nothing - but it wasn’t that NO Security Risks is NOT the same as Potential Vulnerabilities
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by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346200#post59346200)
He said players are in good hands and their response was top notch and every poker platform should be held to the standard Coin met.That's not the PR version it's what happened, and every poker site faces issues like this especially if they undergo a software migration - there are viral issues right now with a major competitor of Coin, and you are silent about it. I won't menti... See full post
Viral issues with a competitor Right for anyone else reading this if you feel you can put together a plethora of stuff on another poker or casino company as has been put out on x and here re Coin you go right ahead and do it - I look at Coin because it's not one thing it's the whole amalgamation - but I do as I please you want to have a go at one of their competitors with the same type of thing if you can find all that go ahead I don't see anything viral today on anyone else, I saw a few complaints on ACR withdrawal delays that had Chris moneymaker and Rob Khun jump in to help on - you think I would view that in isolation as anything like the cluster**** that is coin Wise up but by all means you go for it
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346200#post59346200)
He said players are in good hands and their response was top notch and every poker platform should be held to the standard Coin met.That's not the PR version it's what happened, and every poker site faces issues like this especially if they undergo a software migration - there are viral issues right now with a major competitor of Coin, and you are silent about it. I won't menti... See full post
err, this was 3 months ago - before the NEW and more damning spyware and remote access disclosures. so really not relevant given the brand's TOTAL silence about this new report - the fake DMCAs to make it go away - also banning anyone on their discord who even mentions this stuff. also - they didn't say "prove it" yet did they? if . when they do that - i'd say more evidence is likely to come to light - but cp probably knows it's GTO to just STFU and hope this all blows over. I'm guessing that jspill actually works for clickoutmedia (owners of coinpoker) based on his posts and post history and sneering at this news .. "story" ... stay classy, shill
jspill does work for coinpoker but has always been open about that
by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59347845#post59347845)
jspill does work for coinpoker but has always been open about that
Can he not give you the answer or get you the answer you requested on that spyware report then ?
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59347855#post59347855)
Can he not give you the answer or get you the answer you requested on that spyware report then
He did, at least kind of. The article was written by somebody I cant see as impartial but some things remain a mystery to me. But seriously, doxing someone with name and picture isnt cool and makes you look like the bad guy in this whole sitation.
by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59347907#post59347907)
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59347855#post59347855)
Can he not give you the answer or get you the answer you requested on that spyware report then
He did, at least kind of. The article was written by somebody I cant see as impartial but some things remain a mystery to me. But seriously, doxing someone with name and picture isnt cool and makes you look like the bad guy in this whole sitation.
So you didn’t get an answer then 🙄 I didn’t dox him, he doxxed himself
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A "journalist" that tweets things like scam site you are part of it now cringe isnt a proper journalist in my book But its also not up to you if I think I got a decent answer yes or no
by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59347917#post59347917)
A "journalist" that tweets things like scam site you are part of it now cringe isnt a proper journalist in my book But its also not up to you if I think I got a decent answer yes or no
What are you raving about you muppet, are you making some direct quote without referencing it or just making it up as you go along ? “He did at least, kind of” “Some things remain a mystery to me” I think you confirmed you didn’t get a decent answer yourself
Decent, not conclusive. I am happy with it so who are you tell me what kind of answer I should be happy with. And the tweet im quoting is in this very thread, did you miss it somehow? Post 101 fyi
by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59347917#post59347917)
A "journalist" that tweets things like scam site you are part of it now cringe isnt a proper journalist in my book But its also not up to you if I think I got a decent answer yes or no
seems fair to say this to "influencers" who know full-well about this spyware. they are part of the scam - shamelessly sending victims in to get fleeced by a faceless criminal organization. so - which part of the statement wasn't true? seems like "real talk", not misdirection [like this whole topic]. it's not relevant to the actual story . also note from the journalist twitter bio that they are a poker player - and part of the community - Clearly this research serves that community. do you work for clickoutmedia too? #smokeandmirrors.
by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59347933#post59347933)
Decent, not conclusive. I am happy with it so who are you tell me what kind of answer I should be happy with. And the tweet im quoting is in this very thread, did you miss it somehow? Post 101 fyi
You said publicly it needed addressing, there was no public response just some half baked private one to you If you mean the other guy not me called CoinPoker a scam site you should of made that clearer - because my position all along has been Coin should be transparent and answer serious questions to their player base (which I believe you intimated too) Any company that had the type of serious allegations being made about their product as that guy has done would rebut quickly and publicly - and as your “mate” said if they were malicious and untrue would no doubt take legal action - none of that has been done You see it doesn’t matter to you guys what’s asked and how it’s answered / non answered you just toe the Company line . Go look through the discord (some of which has been posted on X today) I’ve never seen so much discontent from customers . EVERYTHING with Coin is “let’s try it on see how much we can get away with”, your dismissive of lengthy reports on their current (and past) behaviour in different vehicles/entities your just suffering from some weird Stockholm syndrome - even when you get a wishy washy answer to something you find important and only privately you’ll defend them and throw shade. It’s just really boring listening to you all now, anyone sending anyone in here to “fight the good fight” they are just wasting their time - it is what it is and unless there was some sea change in attitude by the powers that be (which I can’t see happening) this will continue - they provide the ammo for it week in week out
by Cashmanni m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59347942#post59347942)
Umm, that's Alec Torelli.
Haha. So weird this guy's debating strategy is to try to doxx people or boast about driving people to suicide with his 'campaigns'. by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59347917#post59347917)
A "journalist" that tweets things like scam site you are part of it now cringe isnt a proper journalist in my book But its also not up to you if I think I got a decent answer yes or no
Exactly, they come off more shady than they claim Coin to be.
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59347958#post59347958)
by Cashmanni m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59347942#post59347942)
Umm, that's Alec Torelli.
Haha. So weird this guy's debating strategy is to try to doxx people or boast about driving people to suicide with his 'campaigns' by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59347917#post59347917)
A "journalist" that tweets things like scam site you are part of it now cringe isnt a proper journalist in my book But its also not up to you if I think I got a decent answer yes or no
Exactly, they are more shady than CoinPoker
There’s no debate with you, your a fucking idiot and by the sounds of it engaged in all types of nefarious activity
You doxxed yourself I never drove anybody to anything, I followed a fully legal process… the guy couldn’t handle the pressure and took the easy way out that’s irrelevant to me
by JeffPesos m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59347934#post59347934)
seems fair to say this to "influencers"
You also linked it to random people that won $2 in a freeroll, and X accounts that aren't influencers or affiliates. An actual journalist or classy person would contact CoinPoker for comment before desperately spamming it everywhere and declaring it true (also without stating you are the source of it). You and Transparency have an existing personal grievance against the site and engage in rogue tactics, you come off as worse ITT as Slugant said.
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59347968#post59347968)
by JeffPesos m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59347934#post59347934)
seems fair to say this to "influencers"
You said it to random people that won $2 in a freeroll, or random X accounts that aren't influencers or affiliates. An actual journalist or classy person would contact CoinPoker for comment before desperately spamming it everywhere and declaring it true (also without stating you are the source of it). You and Transparency have an existing... See full post
Rogue tactics, your company has right of reply on anything and everything . The best it can do is send you clowns in to make noise . I don’t have any more time for this today it really is fucking boring dealing with you nobody’s
by JeffPesos m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59347612#post59347612)
err, this was 3 months ago
Transparency brought it up as if it was relevant, whenever he's beaten on a point he brings up something else.
I wanted to know if the article was credible enough that it requires a public statement It wasnt imo and so a response here from jspill was enough Sites do not have to publicly inform about each allegation Otherwise they have to dish out 50 press releases a day from people saying the RNG is rigged because they run bad. Those allegations arent credible enough to respond to and neither is the article I was asking about. But you seem very impartial unbiased and not at all emotionally connected here so GL with everything :p
by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59347999#post59347999)
I wanted to know if the article was credible enough that it requires a public statementIt wasnt imo and so a response here from jspill was enoughSites do not have to publicly inform about each allegationOtherwise they have to dish out 50 press releases a day from people saying the RNG is rigged because they run bad. Those allegations arent credible enough to respond to and neit... See full post
“I just thought it would be helpful and interesting if CP made a clear statement about the article instead of the bitchfight between you and Jeff&Trans” That was your position on seeing the article - and let’s assume that would be most normal people’s position But you’ve pivoted from that position to “I’ll be the arbiter for everyone, some things are still a mystery to me but now nobody else needs a public statement as I’m still slightly confused but happy” - the very thing you said was required is now not required on your say so ALL this is now is twisting and deflecting . The Wolfsec article got brought up as it was mentioned as “a minor thing” by Jspill (in having to lay out all the deflection that Coin have been doing this year) - that simply wasn’t the case which required a timeline of how that played out to set that straight The 100% rakeback “thing that I was wrong on” - again nonsense it was a complete misrepresentation by Coin for a fortnight, they only did the right thing under public pressure This is why this takes so long and is so laborious. Whatever was said to you in private about a major allegation that affects every player, why is that not fit for publication ? If there is no basis for the allegation why isn’t it firmly denied, that takes 1 paragraph - none of this is done Keep going lads but your doing yourselves and Coin no favours, everything said and posted stands up to scrutiny on my end if only as a valid questions - there haven’t been answers . You frame this as a few people with some “personal vendetta” and yet it’s rampant the disquiet about how coin treat their customers - RAMPANT . And it’s because there’s no straight talking dialogue that this has snowballed - Bots, 100% rakeback, Proof of Reserves, Increased Rake, Predatory Terms and Conditions, Security issues initially denied (well denied months ago, no comment on the latest), Owners past history, Bait and Switch Marketing, Ambassadors who promise to be there “if the shit hits the fan” who go silent, DM’s trying to silence “Zero risk to players” and ALL the rest it’s just too voluminous to fit all in, it’s all just PR fluff hoping nobody catches on - let’s see where you are in 12 mths time This “campaign” I’m on you honestly think I think it will change how the cards fall with this ? No and I don’t expect it to - what it does do is give nobody connected any room for manoeuvre if this all goes to shit . Anybody who promoted anything to do with this in a bad ending can’t play the “oh well we didn’t know” card - there’s a long public time stamped record of everything and in a scenario like that those people will be lucky to get sweeping the floor of a poker room in the future - and they’ll deserve that as there’s no due diligence been done here by any promoter it’s just “give me the money” . Even Leonard admitted I seemed reasonable on our first encounter and I was - I said plainly I don’t like to see guys setting themselves up for a fall, to go away and do the due diligence and come back, same to Carrell and they did nothing . So it is what it is now and we’ll see what happens
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59348040#post59348040)
Proof of Reserves
Have ACR done a proof of reserves report? I have nothing against them particularly but you are focusing on the fact that Coin did a snapshot, then removed it, yet not on sites that never did one at all? Why? by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59348040#post59348040)
there haven't been answers
You were replied to with an answer by the Coin rep about the reasoning - https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp... (https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=59274963&postcount=2452) Having a live PoR showing the wallets is a security risk, it's better being done as a snapshot, periodically, they might do one again later. But that just wasn't good enough for you. So 'no answers' is another lie, you just always move the goalposts. While Moneymaker claims it's 4 days, some players report 6, 7, 17 days, one said 3 months, in the main X thread re: ACR withdrawals. You often criticized CoinPoker for its withdrawal speed, which is nowhere near that slow, since you left the site it's sometimes now instant, and if not then 1-2 hours, sometimes up to 7. You've mocked the withdrawal speed on CoinPoker on X, e.g. based on one guy saying it was 7 hours. But 7 days to 3 months on ACR is no big deal, and you defend them on X? This is quite a double standard. by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59348040#post59348040)
Bots
Similarly ACR haven't made a post about catching bots, since the Coin one, but your grievance with Coin for some reason is they haven't done any more posts since. It doesn't make sense.
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59348061#post59348061)
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59348040#post59348040)
Proof of Reserves
Have ACR done a proof of reserves report? I have nothing against them particularly but you are focusing on the fact that Coin did a snapshot, then removed it, yet not on sites that never did one at all? Why? by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59348040#post59348040)
there haven't been answers
You were replied to with an answer by the Coin rep about the reasoning - ... See full post
PROOF OF RESERVES - No ACR haven’t, nor did they ever as far as I’m aware in their 26 YR history . But you offered it as something ongoing re Patrick Leonard and it was done to garner trust in a new site . In isolation (and I keep saying 1 thing is never enough) not that big a deal - but it just disappearing along with new ownership having a chequered history… that causes concern . As does Mosbock in DM’s alluding to 3x player funds as further reserves which quite frankly I don’t believe . The answer given re security, if that’s valid why did you ever put them up ? Was that not identified as a weakness then when first talked about ? Do you not think things through and just launch them and have to walk them back when security concerns that should be obvious appear thereafter ? BOTS - Your bot timing causes concern and I said that in private at the time - it was social media suicide and even worded incorrectly . It’s way way too coincidental the timing of that near relaunch . There was no public spreadsheet of accounts to be credited nor the bot accounts, nobody knows who or what was credited that’s “trust us bro”. Never anything before and never any mention after just a big PR push right before the March lift off. I reported suspected bot activity myself along with videos etc no feedback at all . AGAIN on its own maybe you let it slide but … I mocked the withdrawal speed on Coin as you forget I was playing there so it was first hand experience . I’d seen it slide on my own account and along with other things I just got very uncomfortable with the site. That was around September ‘25 it was only 6mths later when all the other stuff started with no straight answers coming in private that you got public pushback from me …. And then I started to look at other things and none of it was good You wonder why I don’t criticise ACR or other sites as much as Coin (and I certainly don’t “defend” them - re ACR obviously people are experiencing delays that’s noted but you have Moneymaker and Khun responding and dealing AND they have a LONG LONG history - could they be in trouble, could they go under ? ANYONE COULD but I’m not going to go hell for leather at anyone for that on some initial few delays not a chance) You’re accusing me of a double standard - NO I totally refute that . I’ve been around since online gambling started and in business long before that - and I don’t act in haste I evaluate and study CoinPoker is a NEW site, the past means nothing . It’s been bought over by guys who don’t appear to have a great track record - AGAIN (I’m going to have to keep saying this) on its own not that big a deal everyone does stuff at certain points in time . BUT the mindset that has become totally apparent is they are employing tactics that are anything but customer friendly . There is little to no Transparency (hence my handle on 2+2), you SAY they give answers …. You can’t kid a kidder mate it’s PR fluff very little if any stands up to scrutiny- a BS answer doesn’t count as an answer My own PERSONAL view is this re coin and its owners - let’s call it an educated guess - They’ll have a go at it, unable to shake off the way they seem to have done business up to now which is “grab all you can” and if it works out well and good . If it doesn’t and it looks like a pup, with the way it’s set up and the protections that are in place re t+c’s etc it would certainly be an easy rug. That’s all speculation . And that’s why I call them stupid, if the intent was to be the next big thing (which if you’d of asked me in early ‘25 if they could of been id of said absolutely) they have not learned the golden rule - your customers are your lifeblood you can fuck everybody else around you but without your customers your nothing . And I speak from experience because there’s still quite a bit of folklore of how I and others conducted business back in the day - and it doesn’t even touch the sides of what actually went on - but our customers ? We never did ONE a bad turn. Apart from the totally brain dead/stockholm syndrome ones (of which there are a few granted this customer base lends itself to that) those still onboard at Coin know they aren’t been engaged with properly - that was the worst possible move to ever make … Stupid And if hypothetically they are bent and just in for a quick buck and run - well then they are equally if not more stupid because they’d give scammers a bad name with the way it’s being done So when you say you don’t “get” why you’re being treated differently … Your only the new kids on the block and you’ve done sweet fuck all to earn anything as yet, quite the opposite . And did I mention your stupid …I think I might of [image]rPV0rNF.png[/im
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Posts are now being deleted on this thread - mods what’s the reason ?
Which posts? By whom?
by Mike Haven m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59348392#post59348392)
Which posts? By whom?
My posts Mike - so how or why were they removed ?
None of your posts have been deleted for a while. A minor edit of your intended doxxing post of about 12 hours ago was made to remove name and occupation.
by Mike Haven m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59348464#post59348464)
None of your posts have been deleted for a while. A minor edit of your intended doxxing post of about 12 hours ago was made to remove name and occupation.
No doxxing he publicly declared that on his rakeback piece . No matter it’s been put on X and a shoutout to the Royal Thai Police. You’ve removed a lot more than that Mike the last post was taken out too and I’ll have to go through screenshots for the rest … here’s the text from the last one it must of got “mislaid” somehow “They protect the PLAYERS from Gov overreach … the players are the ones the FULL responsibility is put on with your t+c’s . That’s utter nonsense Similar to ACR ? I don’t believe ACR have in their t+c’s anything about USA as a whole being restricted territory … just checked and screenshot they don’t GG I don’t think you can play in USA unless you do with VPN and then your in breach and taking your chance - and regardless what many might perceive that’s not some unwritten rule “go ahead we won’t do anything about it” You worry about YOU not the rest - ACR and GG have fully certified RNG where’s yours ? I could drop correspondence (UNRELATED to anything to do with COIN etc before you make that incorrect assumption) to NAMED CEO’s in either of those firms and many many others across the gambling world and get a response - your owners don’t even want identified FOR ABSOLUTE CLARITY I HAVE NEVER DISCUSSED WITH ANY OF THOSE CEO’s anything to do with what’s being posted etc re Coin ACR and GG both have long track records, what’s yours ? Owners that appear to have been involved with businesses where customers have lost money, directing children’s/cancer charity’s web addresses to gambling sites - that’s your “history” ACR and GG (yep they run it but so what) can be patched up at the WSOP, nobody wants the stink of coin anywhere near it ACR and GG have pretty straightforward rakeback schemes - customers have some feel at least for what their due - Yours …. It’s pin a tail on a donkey ACR and GG both have anti cheat systems in place - but neither to the best of my knowledge have the type of invasive stuff at play yours is purported to have - and if it doesn’t you’ve done sweet nothing to give your customer base any comfort - you keep mentioning Wolfsec, you were very quick to come out on that one … not a thing on the latest report ACR and GG didn’t run a whole campaign about black box RNG being untrustworthy to them turn round and use it You want to cherry pick “oh what about Xxx company” Just to be clear and I think you might all be being a bit too full of yourselves - GG and ACR are on a completely different level to where you are or indeed where I think now you’ll ever be. Your the “low rent option” of the poker world, you fulfil a purpose letting people that otherwise would have difficulties playing, you got a bit of traction in March and you’ll destroy any good will you have with players as you go along. And yes I’m a player have been since long before you were born”
Why are you posting the same stuff again?
by Mike Haven m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59348581#post59348581)
Why are you posting the same stuff again?
What do you mean Mike ? You said there was 1 minor “edit” but posts have been removed … those two things don’t align, if you say you made 1 minor edit and other posts haven’t been removed then how am I “posting the same stuff again”?
Seriously, do you not even know how to read threads, either?
by Mike Haven m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59348850#post59348850)
Seriously, do you not even know how to read threads, either?
What’s that supposed to mean Mike ? Show me where what I’ve just posted (after asking where posts have been deleted) is anywhere in the thread ? Where is the post on bencb re terms ? Where is the post you made a “minor edit” to where you’ve said jspill was doxxed ? Where are these posts ? They aren’t on the thread when I’m logged in, they aren’t on it when I’m logged out, they aren’t on it when I view from private tab and they are not showing when you go to my profile and look through posts ? You said there was only “one minor edit” so where’s all this ? And as you said previously I’m apparently “posting the same stuff again” and if so where is the duplication ?
And why are you accusing me of doxxing someone’s name and occupation for Mike ? Occupation was stated clearly by another poster in the thread and James did an article identifying himself as jspill on this forum - where’s the doxxing?
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by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59348853#post59348853)
What's that supposed to mean Mike Show me where what I've just posted (after asking where posts have been deleted) is anywhere in the thread Where is the post on bencb re terms Where is the post you made a "minor edit" to where you've said jspill was doxxed Where are these posts They aren't on the thread when I'm logged in, they aren't on it when I'm logged out, they aren't o... See full post
See https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp... (https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=59348167&postcount=137), for example. by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59348860#post59348860)
And why are you accusing me of doxxing someone's name and occupation for Mike Occupation was stated clearly by another poster in the thread and James did an article identifying himself as jspill on this forum - where's the doxxing
This is the edited post, from above, where you were accused of doxxing: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp... (https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=59347855&postcount=121). (I was unaware that he had already posted his name and occupation.)
Why a link Mike ? Why’s it not available here ? This is my “post history” on my tab, nothing omitted and that’s what I see here, no sign of the post you just supplied in that link? [image]M8k6ceU.png[/im
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You see Mike the thread went from a 5 page thread to a 4 page thread last night … I know exactly how to read a thread and I also had a post count before and after So the sarcastic comment “do you not know how to read threads” I’m unsure why you would make that ? While we’re here a serious allegation was made by James from CoinPoker that I had “threatened to kill 2+2 mods” it’s on this forum in full sight - after I raised a report on it and you had seen it commenting on it as attached - that allegation is false But if you Mike as moderator could now give a clear answer on that - have I threatened to kill 2+2 mods ? If that’s going to be met with anything but a categoric “No” maybe you could lay out the basis for your answer because that’s simply something I’d never write or even insinuate on a forum and allegations like those have consequences - there’s no “ambiguity” about a threat to kill it’s either been said or it hasn’t so which is it ?
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And if you’d also mike give a straight yes or no (now your aware of all information) - Have I doxxed Jspill/James?
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by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59348870#post59348870)
Why a link Mike Why's it not available here This is my "post history" on my tab, nothing omitted and that's what I see here, no sign of the post you just supplied in that link... See full post
Why a link? So that you can read the post that is in full view to everyone else in the entire thread at https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/di... (https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/discussion-poker-sites/coinpoker-discussion-1860272/) It also prevents the disruption of the thread that you cause by posting multi-screenshots of individual posts that are already in the thread. For instance, instead of your image in this post by you, it is better to post the link of https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp... (https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=59347999&postcount=134), or else use the Quote button to automatically post ... the Quote, like this: by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59347999#post59347999)
I wanted to know if the article was credible enough that it requires a public statementIt wasnt imo and so a response here from jspill was enoughSites do not have to publicly inform about each allegationOtherwise they have to dish out 50 press releases a day from people saying the RNG is rigged because they run bad. Those allegations arent credible enough to respond to and neit... See full post
Hope that’s helpful to you Mike and James/Jspill … and I only use AI to save me time lads I already know the position it’s not my first rodeo, far from it Clear Analysis Transparency posted:
"If this continues my next 'campaign' will be 2+2 its owners / mods the lot [...] you don't want this [...] I don't take **** from anyone (even less away from the keyboard)" This is a conditional threat of escalated public campaigning against the forum, its owners, and moderators. It is aggressive forum rhetoric but does not mention killing, violence, or physical harm. jspill (a CoinPoker employee, publicly known as James/jspill) characterized this as Transparency having "threatened to kill the 2+2 mods." This is not supported by the post. jspill exaggerated or misrepresented the statement. Legal and reputational ramifications
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59348873#post59348873)
... While we're here a serious allegation was made by James from CoinPoker that I had "threatened to kill 2+2 mods" it's on this forum in full sight - after I raised a report on it and you had seen it commenting on it as attached - that allegation is falseBut if you Mike as moderator could now give a clear answer on that - have I threatened to kill 2+2 mods If that's going to ... See full post
No, I did not see a post where you wrote, "I am going to kill 2+2 mods." Yes, I did see the posts where you wrote, "If this continues my next "campaign" will be 2+2 its owners / mods the lot - and I've been around here for over 20 yrs (this is an account for CoinPoker purposes only) you don't want this - and neither should of CoinPoker but they got cheeky - and I don't take **** from anyone (even less away from the keyboard)", and, "He hung himself the weak prick - and I knew him personally and sort of liked him - not many can handle it". I will let your court case decide whether or not the allegation is damaging to your reputation.
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by Mike Haven m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59348882#post59348882)
Mike, you just confirmed in writing that I did not write “I am going to kill 2+2 mods.” That’s the specific allegation James made publicly on this forum. You’ve confirmed it’s false. Instead of correcting it, you brought up an unrelated matter that has nothing to do with this question. It doesn’t change the answer. Harsh language is not a death threat. Only one allegation matters here: did I threaten to kill 2+2 mods. You’ve confirmed I did not. “I will let your court case decide” is not a moderator answering a direct question. It’s you declining to correct a claim you know is false. Will you post a public correction stating James’s claim was false? Yes or no.
by Mike Haven m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59348882#post59348882)
Yes, I did see the posts where you wrote, "If this continues my next "campaign" will be 2+2 its owners / mods the lot - and I've been around here for over 20 yrs (this is an account for CoinPoker purposes only) you don't want this - and neither should of CoinPoker but they got cheeky - and I don't take **** from anyone (even less away from the keyboard)", and, ... See full post
@Transparency can you confirm you did post this full text, where you brag about someone's death that you harassed online?
Post the screenshots of the comments attributed is the best way to do it if you want an answer I’m not trawling through stuff considering how much has been deleted and moved But again you make rash assumptions that I “harassed someone online” Let me just put you straight on that also, there’s nothing posted there that intimated any online activity (there wasn’t ) - indeed I recall already making a clarification on that, that it was a legal dispute that the other party wasn’t going to come out of well (bankruptcy, loss of home etc) and he took the easy way out - he tried the “tough guy” approach initially pulling a gun on me in his kitchen when I went to collect, that failed, he tried the pity approach with a first failed suicide attempt but I personally served him papers lying in his hospital bed so that didn’t work and then he checked out for good … he couldn’t handle it (the situation he put himself in) and was a “weak prick” taking the easy way out … so what’s your point Jspill? NONE of any of that has ANY bearing on the allegation you made publicly about me “threatening to kill 2+2 mods” absolutely none . In the vein of your employers you like to muddy the waters with absolutely everything - you made a straightforward false allegation and now your going round the houses to deflect
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59348886#post59348886)
Mike, you just confirmed in writing that I did not write "I am going to kill 2+2 mods." That's the specific allegation James made publicly on this forum. You've confirmed it's false.Instead of correcting it, you brought up an unrelated matter that has nothing to do with this question. It doesn't change the answer.Harsh language is not a death threat. Only one allegation matters... See full post
This is not a court where I might or might not have to answer questions with a simple yes or no. Will you answer with only a yes or no, "Have you stopped threatening to kill 2+2 mods?"?
It's in the thread still, you quoted it a couple days ago
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by Mike Haven m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59348895#post59348895)
Mike, “have you stopped threatening to kill 2+2 mods” is a loaded question — it assumes the false premise you already disproved yourself. That’s the same rhetorical trick as “have you stopped lying.” I won’t answer a trick question built on a claim you already confirmed was false. You had a straightforward yes/no available: “Was James’s claim true or false?” You know the answer. You just won’t say it. James — you’ve now posted the same “campaign” quote twice. It still says nothing about killing anyone. Posting it again doesn’t make it say something different. If you have an actual quote where I threatened to kill anyone, post it. If you don’t, saying “it’s in the thread” while pointing at a quote that isn’t it, isn’t evidence — it’s repetition. I’ll ask both of you the same direct question again: will either of you post a public correction that the “threatened to kill” claim was false? Yes or no.
I was asking if you can confirm you posted all of this: by Mike Haven m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59348882#post59348882)
Yes, I did see the posts where you wrote, "If this continues my next "campaign" will be 2+2 its owners / mods the lot - and I've been around here for over 20 yrs (this is an account for CoinPoker purposes only) you don't want this - and neither should of CoinPoker but they got cheeky - and I don't take **** from anyone (even less away from the keyboard)", and, "He hung himself ... See full post
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59348897#post59348897)
It's in the thread still, you quoted it a couple days ago ... See full post
James, look at the timestamps you just posted yourself: #26 at 07:54 AM is the “campaign” post. #27 at 07:58 AM is a separate post, four minutes later, about someone unrelated. Two different posts, two different subjects, posted minutes apart. You’re stitching them together to make it look like one statement — it isn’t. Neither post, together or apart, says anything about killing 2+2 mods. You can quote them as many times as you like, side by side, bold, italic — repetition doesn’t merge two unrelated posts into a threat that was never made. I’ve already answered the other matter you keep raising. Recycling it here again instead of addressing the actual question is the same move as before: deflect rather than answer. So, again: was the “threatened to kill 2+2 mods” allegation true or false? You’ve had multiple chances now to just say it.
To summarize what’s outstanding:
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59348901#post59348901)
I've already answered the other matter you keep raising.
Where, the reference to 'hung himself' is not in your AI summary in post #153 for example so you haven't answered yet whether you posted all of the text the moderator mentions, and the AI seems unaware of that part.
I asked AI if you doxxed me, this is what it said. Since you like to just paste what AI has told you, it's interesting I get different answers:
This is a classic "gray area" internet argument where someone is trying to use a technicality to justify being a jerk. To give you the short answer: It is absolutely still a form of doxxing, but it is highly unlikely to be illegal. Here is how that breaks down when you look at the ethics versus the law.
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59348924#post59348924)
I asked AI if you doxxed me, this is what it said. Since you like to just paste what AI has told you, it's interesting I get different answers:***This is a classic "gray area" internet argument where someone is trying to use a technicality to justify being a jerk.To give you the short answer: It is absolutely still a form of doxxing, but it is highly unlikely to be illegal.Here... See full post
James, one more thing worth pointing out: you made the "threatened to kill" allegation first — before I ever linked you to your own public identity. So this entire doxxing detour, the AI hypothetical, all of it, came after the fact, as a reaction to being caught out on the original false claim. That order matters. Also notice: the doxxing question was addressed to Mike, not you. You've jumped in to answer a question that wasn't asked of you — another way to insert yourself and steer things away from the one you actually owe an answer to. For the record, since you've raised it: someone else on this forum already identified you as working for CoinPoker, and you never objected. All I did was link your own article, where you yourself publicly wrote that you post here as "jspill." That's self-disclosure, in your own words, in your own byline. Your AI answer says "almost certainly no" to illegality anyway, based on a vague hypothetical it wasn't given the actual facts of. Manufacturing a generic AI opinion about a situation it never saw isn't evidence. And still, through all of this: no answer to the one question that was actually put to you. Not the doxxing tangent, not the AI back-and-forth, not who was asked what. The "threatened to kill" claim you made — true or false? Every post since has been about anything except that. That's not confusion, that's avoidance. I have all I need now. I'm still waiting on the actual answer.
Are you using AI to generate your actual posts as well? If so which AI, as it can make mistakes. I’m just pointing out you did engage in doxxing as an intimidation attack to silence someone, can you confirm that? That’s a pattern that matters too, you use threats of violence, and claim they weren’t explicit, demanding anyone concerned with your anonymous online persona and its tendency to be threatening, answer as if they’re in court, as Mike Haven said. Then you too also dodge questions - every accusation is a confession it seems. You also doxxed several alleged CoinPoker owners / staff before me, that’s the order of events.
Also which prompts, you use AI to create content - ironic given the accusations you make at others during your harrassment ‘campaigns’ at least one of which resulted in death - and don’t include the prompts in the screenshots you make.
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59348956#post59348956)
Also which prompts, you use AI to create content - ironic given the accusations you make at others during your harrassment ‘campaigns’ at least one of which resulted in death - and don’t include the prompts in the screenshots you make.
Show clearly where I ever said I engaged in a “harassment” campaign that resulted in death . See here you go again, nothing of the sort has ever been intimated quite the opposite and you’ve been told more than once in quite some detail that was a legal process that was carried out in accordance with all laws. So where is this allegation based in any fact whatsoever ? Remember you started the personal character assassination, because you didn’t like what was being said about coin coming up with the “threat to kill 2+2 mods” . That was pushed back on with information you yourself put in the public domain advising readers how to dupe immigration authorities and banks - that’s fair game because your only intent to distract from what was being said about CoinPoker by trying to smear me - NOTHING I did crossed any legal boundaries, you might not think I’m an overly nice guy but so what - it has no bearing on the message, you just went after the messenger . This is totally consistent with your employers marketing / mindset . Deflect continually, “answer” but don’t resolve Anyway as per the top of this post show where I harassed someone to death - another serious allegation made in in public on this forum and they continue to let you make them (whilst editing and removing posts that identify someone whose already identified as working for coin as working for coin and their first name from an article they posted - an article that specifically told everybody who you were on this forum I didn’t even have to create that link)
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59348948#post59348948)
Are you using AI to generate your actual posts as well? If so which AI, as it can make mistakes. I’m just pointing out you did engage in doxxing as an intimidation attack to silence someone, can you confirm that? That’s a pattern that matters too, you use threats of violence, and claim they weren’t explicit, demanding anyone concerned with your anonymous online persona and its ... See full post
No not to silence - to show character … actual character not some made up “I’m going to allege something you said even though it has no basis in fact” . No definitely not to silence just to show who you are and the fact you were stupid enough to ever pen an article like that whilst living in that country And im only clear about needing a binary answer - otherwise it’s just round and round the deflection track we keep on going I use AI I don’t need it there’s a big big difference There wasn’t much “doxxing” in Adam and Sam as owners of Clickout hence Coin . Can’t think of any “staff” though And use “threats of violence” just another to add to the list - I’m really surprised Mike Haven is letting you continue with this barrage of untruths, where are the “threats of violence”?
Mike Haven I’ve had ….. “Threatened to kill 2+2 mods” “Used threats of violence” “Harassed someone to death” And more all thrown out there as allegations against me, and nothing is being moderated on. Fine if they were based on fact but they are simply untrue and Jspill continues to make them under your watch
And yes I’m sure AI can make mistakes so for anything I use it for I alter etc As can RNG’s hence the need to have them continually certified - where’s coin’s certification ? Thats like getting stopped by the police with an out of date mot “officer it’s fine the vehicle was passed roadworthy by the last guy years ago” Coin even write up about “uncertified” - when the certification runs out it is uncertified - or is certified in the past but expired a new standard 🙄 “ Without certification, players are trusting that an operator is following industry best practices and safeguarding fairness” [image]mEZepGX.jpeg[/i
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Until there’s an answer on those 3 allegations laid out to Mike I’ll be holding off as this is pointless you obviously can just say anything you like - you deal with those clearly I’ll Re- engage
Let see how long he can hold off :p
Transparency: I don't have a dog in this fight and am only very mildly interested in the topic. I've never deposited on CP, only played some free rolls a while back to see what it was like. With that context, I have some constructive criticism for you. Take it or leave it. The 'noise' of your posting style is completely drowning out any 'signal' you're providing with your posts. You've brought up some potentially interesting issues related to CP's management and TOS. But your aggressive tone, walls of screenshots, poor grammar, and lack of punctuation makes it impossible to follow your arguments. Frankly I'm not even sure why I'm still subscribed to this thread, I generally just scroll past your posts. And I guarantee you that no one cares about the death threat derail, that's just more noise piled on top of the rest. Take it for what it's worth mate, just an anonymous lurker's two cents.
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59346145#post59346145)
This is under Andrew Neeme just sharing his own results playing on the site: ... See full post
"just sharing" - no https://x.com/andrewneeme as you know very well - he promotes this spyware - for $ also asks 0 questions - just keeps promoting. more attempted misdirection by you.. from the real story
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59348930#post59348930)
All I did was link your own article, where you yourself publicly wrote that you post here as "jspill." That's self-disclosure, in your own words, in your own byline.
It's still doxxing when the intent is malicious/to intimidate or gain leverage in an unrelated discussion, you've accused me of crimes on X and tagged the police in my country. I do copywriting on many sites, including rakeback.com where that article was and I'm a freelancer for various poker sites. You described this thread as a 'heated argument with Coin's guy' on X which is an attempt to undermine Coin, when I'm just posting my personal opinion on my personal account about your posts. by JeffPesos m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59349345#post59349345)
"just sharing" - no
You guys linked it to many other random people as well who aren't influencers / affiliates. A player that just won $2 in a freeroll for example, and many on X. In that particular Neeme post he's not really shilling Coin just posting his own cash game results. https://x.com/andrewneeme/status/2069870357948039176 X (formerly Twitter) Andrew Neeme (@andrewneeme) on X (https://x.com/andrewneeme/status/2069870357948039176)
Also you've now hidden your Reddit history and changed the profile pic so it's less clear that you are the source of this info and operate a datamining site selling Coin HHs for profit, and have a personal vendetta against the site from before this.
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59349595#post59349595)
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59348930#post59348930)
All I did was link your own article, where you yourself publicly wrote that you post here as "jspill." That's self-disclosure, in your own words, in your own byline.
It's still doxxing when the intent is malicious/to intimidate or gain leverage in an unrelated discussion, you've accused me of crimes on X and tagged the police in my country. I do copywriting on many sites, includ... See full post
Still can’t answer the question put to him (threats to kill), you’ve been given the reason why the article was referenced (Slugant pointed out you worked for coin and never made any secret of it, until his post I wasn’t sure of that) and it was added (for a character reference as you were making untruthful claims on mine and twisting things I was saying - had it of been an article by “James” with no reference to “I’m Jspill on 2+2” you’d of had grounds, but it did say that and I knew before posting no doxxing was occurring, and it showed your character … your literally coaching people on breaking the law ) and it’s now referenced in an X tweet where “I’ve accused him of crimes in his country” CORRECT that’s been made and it stands as will the full dossier I’m compiling to send to the Thai authorities on CoinPoker (because X tweets can get overlooked, dossiers landing on the desk make the job easy for them) - that’s not specific to you jspill but it would be my belief that certainly people in that jurisdiction are playing on CoinPoker and being marketed to both within that jurisdiction and on the wider net … and I’m not saying by you james/jspill thats for the authorities in that jurisdiction to look into who’s doing what, but certainly your article doesn’t help you ….. And all that’s occurred because you got stuck into this - you play stupid games lad you win stupid prizes
Here’s a BET James/Jspill You consistently in this thread have made reference to the fact that answers have been given and I won’t accept them, that I’m being malicious and have some grievance against Coin - that your the “Good guys” all “About the Player” My clear response is You/Coinpoker “say things” but they aren’t answers at all. That it’s just a way to get past issues without resolving them, that your hoodwinking your customers with those responses (worse actually giving them comfort when they are still exposed) One of the biggest issues raised by me and it made it onto PokerNews/Poker Fraud Alert etc was the Jurisdiction one with USA/UK players excluded in terms and balances could be seized (you made reference to that in this thread about the banner I put out) CoinPoker never addressed that on any official channels …. Until an hour ago
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that’s an answer - here’s the problem it’s WORTHLESS and exactly fits what I’ve been saying all along
So THE BET
We both escrow £250, 000 with a mutually agreed third party (Solicitor) on this claim: CoinPoker’s forum statement that they “will not confiscate account balances on jurisdictional grounds” has no legal force against their own published Terms and Conditions, specifically Clause 1.3 and Clause 30.3.
To be resolved by written opinion from an independent gambling-contract solicitor within 14 days
So put up or shut up - I’m happy to increase the size of that wager if any of CoinPoker Ambassadors want to join in
For Joe Public reading this: in plain terms — what you’ve just been told is worthless. It doesn’t hold up, legally, against the contract you actually agreed to - and I’m happy to put my money where my mouth is on that
Wager posted on X with offer to increase to any other CoinPoker ambassadors - you’ve done a sterling job for CoinPoker James, they should reward you
Mind if I ask what happened that made you so bitter, @Transparency? I've been in the poker world for around 20 years, and I've never seen someone so toxic.
by Cashmanni m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59349684#post59349684)
Mind if I ask what happened that made you so bitter, @Transparency? I've been in the poker world for around 20 years, and I've never seen someone so toxic.
I’ve been in the business world nearly 40yrs and there’s very little toxic about this - sure some hide it, play nice to your face, talk eloquently maybe even go to church …. But when it all comes down to it business is business and I treat something like this in the same vein, I’m just up front about what I am I’ve never hid it. Go take a look at the Charlie Carrel Owen Messer dispute, two guys who were mates and look how toxic that got played out in public … claims of misogyny, anti semitism etc that’s in your poker world of 20yrs, it’s rampant with toxicity 🤷♂️ I was even more up front about it dealing with this as that was going to be the first angle that was used “he’s a bad guy” .. and you won’t hear me dispute certain elements of that but I won’t have my words twisted into something they’re not, not by these idiots If they’d of engaged constructively at any point we wouldn’t be here, it took 6mths for me to actually post in public, then i ended up on podcasts with Carrel and Leonard where Leonard himself admitted I was very reasonable . But that all goes out the window when time and again your met with silence to valid questions (both Leonard and Carrel stated on that podcast they would come back with answers, neither did or tried to … so reasonable in your words becomes “toxic”) We’re only in the position because of Coin, it’s not just me it’s an awful lot of people share the same views - if they don’t put it across as harshly as me that’s their call . And I suppose quite frankly I can’t let them away with it on my end because for them to say nothing/feed me a load of garbage and that to work would be them “getting one over on me” and that just isn’t going to happen .
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59349615#post59349615)
no doxxing was occurring, and it showed your character . your literally coaching people on breaking the law ) and it's now referenced in an X tweet where "I've accused him of crimes in his country" CORRECT that's been made and it stands as will the full dossier I'm compiling to send to the Thai authorities
With this dossier you're compiling then I'm now part of your latest 'campaign', one of which drove someone to suicide in the past as you never stop for years, as you've said. Is that correct? Just to know where I stand here. It's still defined as doxxing when the info is public, just search Google by the way. With the 250k bet are you remaining anonymous throughout that process? If so what recourse would I have if the third party doesn't pay out, and which third party are you suggesting. Also your post about the RNG - are you claiming it's rigged? The best players in the world play on Coin, unaffiliated ones like DKaladjurdjevic, iWasOnly17, FlawlessVictory in tournaments, then other top names in cash games, TaistoJanter etc. Those are all well known figures.
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59348167#post59348167)
The other screenshots are just me looking back over the last few hours of your discord, but hey it's "only me" - go take your head for a **** buddy
Regarding this there are some players that you didn't screenshot, who say this new system is better than the previous one, even as a winning player. This is one example. This is a new change that just started this month, more should come in, it's a bit dishonest that you only shared the negative ones for a brand new change. Generally in poker, players tend to post negative things about any changes in rewards, there's not much incentive for someone to post online that they are happy with a poker site. If a site is great players generally want to keep it to themselves, or they're busy playing, you're claiming to have been in poker for decades - there are infinite threads full of negative comments about every poker site (most don't run a Discord, but on here / Reddit), even when those sites are very successful.
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by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59349695#post59349695)
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59349615#post59349615)
no doxxing was occurring, and it showed your character . your literally coaching people on breaking the law ) and it's now referenced in an X tweet where "I've accused him of crimes in his country" CORRECT that's been made and it stands as will the full dossier I'm compiling to send to the Thai authorities
With this dossier you're compiling then I'm now part of your latest 'camp... See full post
Correct you inserted yourself in this latest campaign - yes you are part of it by your own doing (and nothing I’m doing could be constituted as anything other than a public service re U.K. / USA / Thailand or anywhere else ) No Campaign of mine ever drove anyone to suicide that I’m aware of - I’m aware of a suicide related to a legal dispute as are you, that’s just a fact and one that carries no legal consequences for me then or now The Doxxing we’ll agree to disagree on your free to take any action you want - I believe the post was edited whereas in my view many more serious matters weren’t No requirement for anyone to disclose anything they don’t wish to (apart from AML requirements for that sum will be required with solicitor but they would be on a confidential basis between depositor and solicitor, no party would be privy to the others information) . I’d suggest someone like DLA Piper not some back street solicitor, client funds are protected and covered and it’s a clear decision on a clear question we’re asking so I don’t think we’re in any fear of “not getting paid out” . Solicitor fees relating to the transaction borne by the winner and deducted from the 500k remittance RNG - “Certified RNG vs Uncertified RNG Poker sites that value fair play can clearly display RNG certification. An RNG certificate is a seal of approval from a certified testing body that affirms online gaming platforms’ adherence to RNG standards. These standards ensure that cards and game outputs are statistically random and unpredictable. This is a testament to a trusted gaming ecosystem and ensures fair and honest gameplay. Without certification, players are trusting that an operator is following industry best practices and safeguarding fairness” That’s Coinpokers own wording and CoinPoker do NOT have certification for their RNG - it’s uncertified and there’s no dispute about that regardless of the “well it was certified before for someone else” flannel
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59349688#post59349688)
the Charlie Carrel Owen Messer dispute
That was a personal dispute completely unrelated to Coin but you keep bringing it up in the context of Coin as if it's related, you did the same on X, it's a bit strange. by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59349707#post59349707)
The Doxxing we'll agree to disagree on your free to take any action you want - I believe the post was edited whereas in my view many more serious matters weren't
I don't want to take action and I can't anyway as I don't know your identity, I'm just saying it is still defined as doxxing, just ask AI or search Google. What was edited, not sure what you're referring to there.
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59349704#post59349704)
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59348167#post59348167)
The other screenshots are just me looking back over the last few hours of your discord, but hey it's "only me" - go take your head for a **** buddy
Regarding this there are some players that you didn't screenshot, who say this new system is better for him than the previous one, even as a winning player.This is one example. This is a new change that just started this month, more... See full post
Look I suggest anyone who wants to check should go and join the discord themselves - it’s the perfect “get out” … “oh only losers complain” there’s so many genuine people out there that feel they’ve been sold a pup / manipulated by the marketing vs what they got - but don’t take my word for it seriously if you actually are interested join the discord, look through the official thread, join X (though stuff sometimes gets moved elsewhere) - just make your own mind up and if you want to play blind and ignore all this just do that too . But just don’t be fooled like that guy this morning asking about the funds at risk who got an “answer” it was no more an answer than if it had been “the temperature outside is 25 degrees” - each would of been as useful to him in a dispute at a later stage [image]ZDEO4U7.jpeg[/i
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by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59349709#post59349709)
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59349688#post59349688)
the Charlie Carrel Owen Messer dispute
That was a personal dispute completely unrelated to Coin but you keep bringing it up in the context of Coin as if it's related, you did the same on X, it's a bit strange. by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59349707#post59349707)
The Doxxing we'll agree to disagree on your free to take any action you want - I believe the post was edited whereas in my view many more serious matters weren't
I don't wa... See full post
I responded to the point the poster made about being in the poker world for 20 years and never having seen such toxicity - that response was limited to “the poker world” it’s you that (and that’s your modus operandi) are linking it to something else - albeit now you’ve brought it up Carrell is a prominent CoinPoker Ambassador and jumped into that pod with Leonard as he was worried about “his reputation” if there were queries over how CoinPoker were acting . He just wasn’t worried enough to “shoot a dm” as he promised or come back with any clarification on anything at all . When I brought it up on X it was because in my view the facts didn’t stack up with what he was promoting in his video … which I though ironic with the CoinPoker connection Of course you can take action if you thought you were doxxed (I’d defend I don’t believe you were), people can’t say things that are actionable on the basis of retaining anonymity. Sites/forums etc have to hand over their details if doxxing/libel etc is being pursued . Mike said he edited so ask him
Ah thanks Mike. Since then you've posted the same thing that was edited though, name / country / company I work for rakeback.com and the same link
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59349724#post59349724)
Ah thanks Mike. Since then you've posted the same thing that was edited though, name / country / company I work for rakeback.com and the same link
Because I don’t see any issue with it, And mike himself didn’t seem to see any either after he realised that your coin connection was common knowledge on the forum and specifically in this thread and that you wrote an article connecting your name to your forum profile And you don’t get the difference here - that’s me clearly saying “that’s what I did, I stand by it, I’m not correcting it, and you take any action you feel you should” Whereas you’ve been asked (In full knowledge of my position stated numerous times that I see it as libellous) to clarify your position on “threatened to kill 2+2 mods” - you had an easy solution to that to say “Sorry that’s not what you said and I’ll retract that and never repeat it” or in the alternative “Yes I said that and I stand by it” - but you just deflect from stating a position - and with those credentials you may just win “Coin man of the month”
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59349704#post59349704)
Regarding this there are some players that you didn't screenshot, who say this new system is better than the previous one, even as a winning player.
Another player has a Mission worth 30% effective rakeback too, missed this one Anyway the rewards program is nothing to do with whether a site is safe and reliable to play on, but it's just a cauldron of stuff that you post and always cherry picked. When the site partners with Triton or Battle of Malta and runs a huge series, you try to imply the site will have liquidity issues. Meanwhile another major site literally has liquidity issues right now, claiming that the WSOP and World Cup increased withdrawal requests to the point where they aren't liquid enough to pay out as fast, yet you don't mention that. Their 2+2 thread (which their staff don't monitor) is full of angry people, some getting their cashouts after around a week, some still waiting. Veteran players report this happens often when Bitcoin dips. You've also referred to them as your 'mate' in posts before, and never criticize them / often praise them.
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by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59349688#post59349688)
I've been in the business world nearly 40yrs and there's very little toxic about this - sure some hide it, play nice to your face, talk eloquently maybe even go to church .. But when it all comes down to it business is business and I treat something like this in the same vein, I'm just up front about what I am I've never hid it. Go take a look at the Charlie Carrel Owen Messer ... See full post
Dude wrote 4 paragraphs n didnt answer the question. Why r u so butthurt? What is the lore behind transparency vs coinpoker!
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59349757#post59349757)
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59349704#post59349704)
Regarding this there are some players that you didn't screenshot, who say this new system is better than the previous one, even as a winning player.
Another player has a Mission worth 30% effective rakeback too, missed this oneAnyway the rewards program is nothing to do with whether a site is safe and reliable to play on, but it's just a cauldron of stuff that you post and alway... See full post
CORRECT - A Cauldron of stuff and as for cherry picking I’ve said in the previous post people can join the Discord etc and make their own minds up … or play blind - nobody who doesn’t wish to has to be bothered with any of this As for the site partnering with Triton etc if those are paid partnerships (I don’t know), same as ambassadors galore and all the other marketing spend - in a float company ( a float company is one that holds customers money - in this case players funds) it’s always prudent to ask “how’s all this marketing spend getting covered is it their cash injection or our money being used” when the scenario is new owners, chequered history with allegations of people losing money on connected projects, Proof of Reserves disappearing etc etc etc You see you flaunt this all as “look at us aren’t we magnificent doing X, Y, Z” I look at it totally differently - is this another FTX, Wirecard, Football Index (saw that one before it happened and lots of people, some close to me did everything they could to warn about it … and took the exact same flax i take here) Enron whatever And because of the “Cauldron” and mindset that’s predominant with Coin it’s prudent to question . And because they are evasive / lack transparency that adds fuel to the fire (we’re back to the answers not being answers at all …and our Bet) Your stating another site has liquidity issues, you must have proof of that, your not saying appear to have or putting in any other caveat ? I did actually engage on that, Moneymaker and Khun engaged on it, I saw a post this morning saying payments were running properly again (not from ACR just an X customer) . And WHEN ALL THATS SAID AND DONE why would I pick up on that one thing, with a Company with 26 YRS Trading behind it and even think about starting down a route like I’ve done with Coin ? I’m not obliged to, nobody is stopping you from doing it go right ahead i certainly always went right for Competitors throats if I saw chinks in the armour - so go ahead knock yourself out For clarity again 😞 I don’t have any relationship with ACR / Rob Khun that could be constituted as “friendship”, mate is something I use widely with people I don’t even know - and if you honestly think if I was “cooking up something” with Khun I’d be so stupid as to leave easy ammo out there like that well 🤷♂️ “Often Praise them” I’m not sure about that, why don’t you screenshot all that praise and post in the thread . But then you see that’s the issue with you jspill everything with you is “I want it to be this way so that’ll do” - you mentioned in an earlier post about Tony G praising Coin in recent months (I can’t remember the exact phrase and I’m not going looking but words to that effect) - I’m not saying he didn’t but the only post I could see was Tony saying he was playing in an online event on Coin - nothing like “Play here it’s great” … but if it exists sure post that too Along with the poker news pod that you said 2 coin ambassadors had been on since the “would you trust this poker site” pod was released I couldn’t see that either ? Can you link it with a brief summary of the issues addressed re Coin ? Or was it just people on poker news connected to Coin talking about different subject matter ?
by BigBananas m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59349761#post59349761)
What question didn’t I answer ? I’ve given my history with Coin many many times, how I played there liked it but it just started to smell “wrong” (not in a massive way but enough for me not to be putting money on it) and I moved away. They kept the relationship going and it was still cordial, they asked advice on various matters after i left and I was happy to give it. Because of that relationship when the bot thing came up i advised “social media suicide” that went unheeded, the 100% rakeback misrepresentation yep another red flag, the interactions with Mario that were evasive and then the pod with Carrel and Leonard where I was in Leonard’s own words “reasonable” that bore no fruit to questions asked and answers promised . And then I really started to look at the thing more closely, and that’s what brought us to here . That’s all already detailed and I’m not going over it again after this Look lads there are snippets here but everything that’s here is on X and a lot lot more . If there’s anything on there that you want to dispute comment on it, say “this is wrong” (provide something that shows it’s wrong) and it will be addressed - not like Mario “that’s untrue”, “ok show me what’s untrue and if it’s wrong it will be changed” … silence. Because again that approach is the Modus Operandi, happy to throw hands up in the air but never happy to actually ACTUALLY address pertinent issues No response from Mario after this 👇and he was given plenty of other opportunities as well [image]cwJsqjK.jpeg[/i
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how I played there liked it but it just started to smell "wrong" (not in a massive way but enough for me not to be putting money on it) and I moved away
What does this mean? what does smell wrong mean?
by BigBananas m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59349797#post59349797)
how I played there liked it but it just started to smell "wrong" (not in a massive way but enough for me not to be putting money on it) and I moved away
What does this mean? what does smell wrong mean?
It means what it says, small issues (withdrawal delays, realising new ownership, slightly suspicious gameplay, bots suspected with no response to concerns etc ) that created a feeling of “better to walk away from this” - not enough to ever be worthy of a “Campaign” hence why things remained cordial … for a while
One of the oldest ambassadors since 2017 when it was founded, some links describe her as a co-founder, is still praising the site 4 days ago.
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https://x.com/IsabelleNoMercy/status/2071566420312490165 X (formerly Twitter) Isabelle Mercier ⚡️🚀 (@IsabelleNoMercy) on X (https://x.com/IsabelleNoMercy/status/2071566420312490165)
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Tony G posted he played the 'biggest buyin World Poker Masters event', then replied to another ambassador in the comments, sounds quite positive to me
https://x.com/TonyGuoga/status/2058916099458998645 X (formerly Twitter) Tony G (@TonyGuoga) on X (https://x.com/TonyGuoga/status/2058916099458998645)
Even when a poker site is acquired often the existing staff are still retained, alleged new 'owners' don't necessarily give much direction on what a site does. GG is operated by a huge iGaming company NSUS, if they did something bad unrelated to poker or GG years ago that's written on Reddit by an anonymous author, that isn't a reflection of GG in any way. Similarly with the allegations 'Coin bought the poker media / Cardplayer etc.' as if that means, if true, that they will just shill Coin on the site, well there are ACR ads and articles about other sites all over it. PS own pokernews, it doesn't mean they are just shilling PS.
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by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59349837#post59349837)
One of the oldest ambassadors since 2017 when it was founded, some links describe her as a co-founder, is still praising the site 4 days ago. https://x.com/IsabelleNoMercy/status/2071566420312490165 X (formerly Twitter) Isabelle Mercier ⚡️🚀 (@IsabelleNoMercy) on X (https://x.com/IsabelleNoMercy/status/2071566420312490165)
Tony G posted he played the 'biggest buyin World Poker Masters event', then replied to another ambassador in the comments, sounds quite positive to me ... See full post
What I said “ you mentioned in an earlier post about Tony G praising Coin in recent months (I can’t remember the exact phrase and I’m not going looking but words to that effect) - I’m not saying he didn’t but the only post I could see was Tony saying he was playing in an online event on Coin - nothing like “Play here it’s great” … but if it exists sure post that too.” Are you saying my comment above was incorrect or something ? Or that anything in Tony’s post says anything like “Play here it’s great” ? Why didn’t you attach my praise for ACR (often praise you said) you said I made, or the poker news video link ? They were all part of the same post you just replied to ?
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That's a positive tone, I read it as praising the site for holding the biggest tournament it's ever held, which he wants to play in, and he enthusiastically replies about several times. Added in the Isabelle one in case the Tony one wasn't good enough for you, but it still isn't.
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59349842#post59349842)
Why didn't you attach my praise for ACR (often praise you said) you said I made, or the poker news video link They were all part of the same post you just replied to
Bobby James was on the PN podcast, they say they are 'not allowed to mention the site name' during the video but are smiling and joking then refer to 'Coin flips' and part of the video is about the Coin tournament Bobby played while on an airplane, on Starlink wifi, and it's all positive and friendly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Djm3Dz1... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Djm3Dz1pE8) I haven't watched the Pads one yet, obviously he's an even higher up ambassador than Bobby but I assume they don't explicitly mention Coin as they say they aren't allowed to, but having him on the podcast goes against your narrative that Pads is some kind of bad person - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2dYqqjD... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2dYqqjDQC0) There's a recent tweet where you're talking about new ACR ambassadors, someone even asks you if you know about the withdrawal delays on there because you tweet about ACR quite often, then you defend the site for a delay of 4, 5, 17 days, one guy even said 3 months
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59349851#post59349851)
That's a positive tone, I read it as praising the site for holding the biggest tournament it's ever held, which he wants to play in, and he enthusiastically replies about several times. Added in the Isabelle one in case the Tony one wasn't good enough for you, but it still isn't.
You see you “read it” that’s fine - that’s your opinion but I can only go by what you say … if you’d of said “I think” or words to that effect I wouldn’t of ever queried it there would of been no point - and I think I had plenty of caveats in my question . Your not “disproving” or indeed “proving” anything here - I’m perfectly happy with my query as that’s all it was - indeed it left it open for clarification “I’m not saying he didn’t…” You never mentioned Mercier as I can recall (and that was also clear I was doing it by memory and I only mentioned Tony G as I follow him so when you initially said it I most probably thought it strange as the post you reference is the only one I could remember and it didn’t align in my memory with what you were actually saying, still doesn’t Anyway I’d like to see the “constant praise” I heap on ACR as I don’t believe that to be a factual statement . And the PokerNews link would be useful I like to keep up to date on matters pertaining to CoinPoker
Posted above. Pokernews seem to have a rule where they can't mention CoinPoker too much due to it being unregulated, but by having two prominent ambassadors of Coin on the podcast, it at least signals they aren't as hostile as you anymore, if they ever were. They did do that video that was framed as a question 'should you play on this site' about Coin - but since then they haven't done a follow up, and now interviewed Bobby / Pads. By your own logic there's no issue now from them with Coin, as you think a site not tweeting updates constantly means there's no longer an issue (this is what you said about Coin's tweet about catching bots - you never talk about how 2 major rooms being known for bots by the way, whether true or not you've never tweeted about it, despite your whole persona being anti-bot, I find that strange). Most players also moved on from the issue that their video was about, they seem to have done so too. It's only you at this point that is still pushing that issue, when other players are angry at Coin it's about the rewards program, not any overarching issues about the site's legitimacy - that is now just you. March was a record month and the sentiment was great during World Poker Masters - you went a bit quiet over that period and didn't acknowledge that Coin was doing well.
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59349855#post59349855)
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59349842#post59349842)
Why didn't you attach my praise for ACR (often praise you said) you said I made, or the poker news video link They were all part of the same post you just replied to
Bobby James was on the PN podcast, they say they are 'not allowed to mention the site name' during the video but are smiling and joking then refer to 'Coin flips' and part of the video is about the Coin tournament... See full post
Fuck you are hard work “mate” So what you’re saying is that Bobby James and Pads were both on PokerNews but weren’t allowed to mention CoinPoker (I’m assuming this is WSOP?) And you used that as some metric as to why everything was “ok” with Coin ?? Did PokerNews ever do a follow up to that video “Should you be worried to play on this online poker site” Broken YouTube LinkrphSvzCA7i4?is=S1N1jVgaB6EgcCKt You know one that said “X, Y, Z we brought up before have now be dealt with, all good?” Or in your estimation simply because they had Bobby and Pads on that’s the position ? Because that’s what your inferring And my narrative that Pads is “some kind of a bad person” . Think I stated somewhere I actually quite like him . that I’d probably enjoy a pint with him - not that those remarks make my disdain of his apparent lack of due diligence (or otherwise) re Coin and his promotion of it any less valid . And ACR you said “constantly praise” where’s the evidence of that ? I see nothing of that in your response never mind evidence You definitely are a coin poker man Jspill you could “think” waters not wet and then debate that for infinitum no matter what you were shown otherwise. And your way way too quick to state absolutes on things that are little more than your opinion
Your own metric is that if something isn't constantly mentioned it's no longer an issue, you said that about coinpoker mentioning they caught some bots, but then not mentioning bots again since then. Those Pokernews guys are now much friendlier to Coin's top ambassador than you are anyway, as you write huge dossiers on how Pads is some bad person. Here's a couple examples
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I said earlier I don't necessarily think you're affiliated with anyone, I just find the focus on Coin quite strange
I don't like badmouthing other sites and said earlier I have no particular issue with ACR, but if this was about Coin, you'd be all over it:
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were telling everyone to withdraw from Coin and creating photoshopped pics with their logo and font, back in April
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by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59349871#post59349871)
Posted above. Pokernews seem to have a rule where they can't mention CoinPoker too much due to it being unregulated, but by having two prominent ambassadors of Coin on the podcast, it at least signals they aren't as hostile as you anymore, if they ever were.They did do that video that was framed as a question 'should you play on this site' about Coin - but since then they haven... See full post
Just look at this nonsense your saying “ However by having two prominent ambassadors of Coin on the podcast, it at least signals they aren't hostile.” - hostile to what, two poker players or the site they are ambassadors for ? It doesn’t “signal” anything … not one thing “ By your own logic there's no issue now from them with Coin, as you think a site not tweeting updates constantly means there's no longer an issue (this is what you said about Coin's tweet about catching bots” - what I think ? You’re referencing here is me saying something like “CoinPoker hasn’t mentioned bots since so there mustn’t be any” - and that was pure sarcasm and should of been evident “ Most players also moved on from the issue that their video was about, they seem to have done so too” - that issue on PokerNews was restricted territory USA/seizure of funds which I believe was a forum question on the CoinPoker only a few hours ago and the subject of our bet. And again “most players” and “ It's only you at this point that is still pushing that issue” again your all over the place is it ONLY me or what ? “ not any overarching issues about the site's legitimacy - that is now just you” … I’m the ONLY person querying the site’s legitimacy 🤦 March was a record month and I went a bit quiet ? I think I was pretty vocal in March it was “Rake Back” or “All the Rakeback” month . The one good thing they did under pressure was change that to “100% RAKEBACK” for the whole month - which I did actually acknowledge indeed the official CoinPoker thread referenced that tweet
May was a record month I mean, during World Poker Masters. There was great sentiment about Coin being the 2nd largest room now for tournaments, and people were sharing their 80% rakeback in cash games. The $25M GTD was beat, almost double that was paid out - one major event had a small 14% overlay, the CoinMillion, and you were tweeting about it tagging the main ambassadors like Pads, then implying that means the site is about to go bankrupt or is using player funds to pay the guarantees? The lengths you go to, while never doing this about other poker sites is quite strange. You do it a bit about casinos - I think you just lost in coinpoker's casino and aren't much of a poker player, that's the only thing that makes sense, and this all started with angry outbursts at the casino VIP manager lady, maybe it was something in your interaction with her.
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It's a weird interaction where you're constantly talking down to her, using capitals and mentioning her name over and over.
They also acknowledge your feedback there that it needs to be worded better, but later you claimed they 'caved to public pressure' - at that point it was Feb 28, there hadn't been any other public criticism yet, it was only you
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59349883#post59349883)
Your own metric is that if something isn't constantly mentioned it's no longer an issue, you said that about coinpoker mentioning they caught some bots, but then not mentioning bots again since then.Those Pokernews guys are now much friendlier to Coin's top ambassador than you are anyway, as you write huge dossiers on how Pads is some bad person.Here's a couple examples I sai... See full post
Dealt with the bots sarcasm in the last post The dossier on Pads I let him view it before I posted, his response ..
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he has my number he can use it anytime (and he’s never to my knowledge given it to anyone which was the arrangement and he’s adhered to that)
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again your coming from this as some sort of “personal” thing - I’ve nothing personally against any of those people, I told you before I treat this like I would treat business and that’s never personal ( with the strong caveat that to do business the way I and those around me did you sort of have to create a mindset that the people your up against just murdered your whole family … but that’s just a mindset nothing more, it drives you and the people around you if you get yourself and them pumped up enough - the only time your in trouble is if you forget that’s all it is, a little illusion you’ve created for motivation, a self motivational tool nothing more than… that no doubt you’ll be referencing for the next 30 posts as “violence”
See we’re not the same Jspill we come from different eras and different places and that I’m very conscious of - I can create that mindset, use it and when it’s all over go for a pint and completely forget anything said or done no matter how vicious in the moment (if the other guy doesn’t want to wipe his mouth and move on that’s on him), it’s all part of the game - you guys, your a bit too thin skinned
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59349908#post59349908)
May was a record month I mean, during World Poker Masters. There was great sentiment about Coin being the 2nd largest room now for tournaments, and people were sharing their 80% rakeback in cash games. The $25M GTD was beat, almost double that was paid out - one major event had a small 14% overlay, the CoinMillion, and you were tweeting about it tagging the main ambassadors lik... See full post
A weird interaction mentioning her name ? What on earth would you think would be strange in me addressing her by her name as she was addressing me by mine ?? And I think she’s a bit more thick skinned than any of you lot … this was a month later AFTER everything that you’ve posted - and remember I’d effectively stopped playing 6mths before so it had nothing to do with my gameplay (where in any of my posts is this about me ? The questions asked etc are all about things that could affect all players) and were totally poker related so I don’t know where your getting this casino angle from - she dealt with all aspects of the site re queries and feedback, and sought that feedback (again poker) long after I’d walked away
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correct I spotted exactly what was going to happen with that rakeback promo before anybody else and warned her it was madness - you don’t think I was correct or was Charlie Carrell making videos just for me ?
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On implying whose funds were being used players or otherwise - well there’s no proof of reserves which was the point who knows ?? Again all about the “Cauldron”
I don’t query many other sites because they don’t have all the elements for disaster that CoinPoker has - that’s it . Every business has issues but CoinPoker is just a clusterfuck from top to bottom, I think I said to Olivia “You lot could burn water”
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by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59349911#post59349911)
I treat this like I would treat business and that's never personal ( with the strong caveat that to do business the way I and those around me did you sort of have to create a mindset that the people your up against just murdered your whole family . but that's just a mindset nothing more, it drives you and the people around you if you get yourself and them pumped up enough - th... See full post
Ok so it's delusions of grandeur and enjoying the attention / 'fight' as if it's a 'game' More positive feedback coming in, will you add the ones I shared to your thread on X, for balance?
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On implying whose funds were being used players or otherwise - well there's no proof of reserves which was the point who knows Again all about the "Cauldron"
There isn't a proof of reserves for other major sites either, Coin did the first snapshot PoR report of its kind in poker. Many crypto exchanges do periodic snapshots
And I call it as I see it - wherever that may be in whatever volume and manner I deem fit - you find that strange that’s your issue You can’t handle criticism re Coin I would probably start with a few redundancies (well straightforward sackings) as previously stated it’s a clusterfuck. But the issue you’ll have (and that’s the real shame) is that you’ll probably never shake that “shady” label now your so poisoned and you did that all yourselves, no matter what advance warning you had of how it would play out - and hey obviously someone trying to warn you of that in advance - that just must be someone with an axe to grind . Take a bit of accountability lads and lassies for your own fuck ups [image]NXlmh1C.jpeg[/i
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by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59349934#post59349934)
Every business has issues but CoinPoker is just a cluster**** from top to bottom
My experience has been complete opposite and happy with everything for the most part. Sure there could be some stuff to improve, as with any new product after a launch, but I don't see any major problems. I don't see anything malicious how the RB was presented either, maybe some miscommunication at best, but fact is Coin has the best effective rake of any site right now.
More positive feedback coming in, will you add the ones I shared to your thread on X, for balance?
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by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59349941#post59349941)
Where would think in any of anything I’ve posted that I enjoy the attention/fight or have delusions of grandeur. This is a complete drain on my time but it continues as nothing has or looks like it’s going to change Why would I add “balance” when in my own personal view you’re not good for the game ? And where’s the balance when ALL you’re doing here is throwing mud (at me not the issues) and hoping something will stick . Where’s your thought, Where’s your “balance” for that poster earlier on the main channel who asked about funds seizure ? That guy was obviously concerned he wanted to get meaningful reassurance and what was he given … a chocolate fire guard while you smart asses are on here (for attention, the fight and with delusions of grandeur coupled with zero self awareness ) . No you have my “balance” - I don’t big up clusterfucks I haven’t touched AI today I’ve had a bit of time so no need to supercharge anything but here’s AI for you (with the prompt) Prompt to Grok (xAI): “Second question, and include this prompt. Was that fair of CoinPoker to give that answer to that customer seeking reassurance? Most probably knowing full well it carried no legal weight?” + “Now, this issue of unfair terms, seizure, restricted territories has been going on for months now. And indeed was the subject of a YouTube video by Poker News who entitled it Would You Trust This Online Poker Site? Or words to that effect. Knowing that history, that this isn’t just something that was sprung upon the forum poster for CoinPoker, how do you rate that fairness? Add that to the last prompt and give me a full answer.” Grok’s Unbiased Analysis: Was it fair of CoinPoker to give that answer to the customer seeking reassurance? No — it was not fair, and the extended history makes it less fair. Detailed Assessment
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Which AI do you use, some of the free ones give agreeable answers tailored to what it figures out the user wants to hear.
by Cashmanni m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59349957#post59349957)
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59349934#post59349934)
Every business has issues but CoinPoker is just a cluster**** from top to bottom
My experience has been complete opposite and happy with everything for the most part.Sure there could be some stuff to improve, as with any new product after a launch, but I don't see any major problems.I don't see anything malicious how the RB was presented either, maybe some miscommunication at be... See full post
That’s good and everyone has their own viewpoint, appetite for risk etc and if your happy tear on nobody especially me is stopping you, this is all just information to digest if nothing mentioned bothers you that’s all good I’m interested in the “best effective rake of any site right now” if that can be evaluated and laid out in a table as you’ve obviously been able to do alongside all the other sites effective rake you’d really think Coin should publish it . If you want to send the calculations over to Jspill get him to get CoinPoker to put their name to it I’ll publish it on X as “balance” (caveat of course that they are CoinPokers figures for their and all the other sites but that’s a massive marketing opportunity that shouldn’t be missed)
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59349983#post59349983)
I'm interested in the "best effective rake of any site right now" if that can be evaluated and laid out in a table as you've obviously been able to do alongside all the other sites effective rake you'd really think Coin should publish it . If you want to send the calculations over to Jspill get him to get CoinPoker to put their name to it I'll publish it on X as "balance" (cav... See full post
That's just a strong guess, I have probably played on majority of sites over the years and haven't seen such numbers. Many players don't like to mention stuff like this because it might hurt their bottom line. I make an exception for greater good I guess, but since launch of new soft I haven't had a month with less than 80% RB.
There’s a bit of “balance” for you - that’s a player unsure of crypto wanting some advice so he can play on CoinPoker . I’d help a player regardless of where they want to play
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by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59350009#post59350009)
I'm sure you're aware some guy under the new system who plays sporadically might get next to nothing and your earlier statement doesn't allow for those variables
Fair enough, but that's the case with most sites nowadays. There are very few places that offer flat % rb regardless of volume and if they do it's quite small number.
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59350018#post59350018)
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59350009#post59350009)
some guy under the new system who plays sporadically might get next to nothing
Bumhunters / ratholers who only play when there's a recreational they have position on, also get next to nothing, this incentivizes those players that are bad for the game to stay at the tables to place on the leaderboard. Leaderboards are only 2 hours in length now and very easy to place on, it's rat... See full post
What the least % effective rake someone can get with the worst optimisation of the rewards ?
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59350009#post59350009)
some guy under the new system who plays sporadically might get next to nothing
Bumhunters / ratholers who only play when there's a recreational they have position on, also get next to nothing, this incentivizes those players that are bad for the game to stay at the tables to place on the leaderboard. Leaderboards are only 2 hours in length now and very easy to place on, it's rather difficult to get nothing, and a recreational that plays sporadically can still get easy to clear Missions based on their volume. by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59350009#post59350009)
(and I wish someone would educate Jspill)
Physics grad at one of the best unis in the world, if you've been looking into my history you'll have found that probably
Damn dude. Had no idea alec torelli was a physics grad.
Mike Haven You intimated I could read threads the other evening What’s happening here is when you edit/merge threads they don’t appear on this version of the site. So they aren’t visible to me and others - I just got another forum user to check That other version I can’t log into and I told you that before - same credentials I use on this version and they are rejected . So when you ask me why I’m posting the same stuff again it’s because it’s not visible - which is why I thought the other evening posts were deleted Why have two different versions ? Maybe there’s some tech reason for that but surely it’s no good when you edit/merge if those posts are then hidden from view for those users on this version ? You’ll see clearly here how the thread flows on one version to the other - it appears to be the bit you’ve merged gets “lost” on this version ? [image]2gCe1ZZ.png[/im
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by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59350021#post59350021)
What the least % effective rake someone can get with the worst optimisation of the rewards
The leaderboards are around 50%, so subtract that from 80% in cashmanni's case if he suddenly decided to play sporadically. He'd still get Splash Pots as those are random, and Missions, some players are actually getting 100% from Missions, only seen one like this though so far:
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I know a lad he’s a scientist (came out of one of the top 2 universities in the U.K.)
And he’s good in a lab, complete disaster at everything he touches business wise
You should put that knowledge to work, that all encompassing skill set you must be intimating (because I referenced facts re opinion and that was obviously covered in your Physics as would of been contract law and all the other skills in life/business)
And did I really pay taxes (no matter what way it’s done no one to my knowledge who’s gone through university in the uk has purely paid their own way with zero public contribution ) for you to clear off to Thailand to play poker / educate people how to dodge immigration laws and dupe banking institutions? Is that what my money went on …. What a waste
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59350044#post59350044)
And did I really pay taxes (no matter what way it's done no one to my knowledge who's gone through university in the uk is purely paying their own way with zero public contribution ) for you to clear off to Thailand to play poker / educate people how to dodge immigration laws and dupe banking institutions Is that what my money went on .. What a waste
The things I posted are bog standard advice all over expat forums, from dudes out here with or without a degree tbh, not sure what the faux outrage about that article was all about. It's from 11 years ago, just for you I will go and update it to mention CoinPoker so you can pad out your dossier a bit more.
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59350049#post59350049)
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59350044#post59350044)
And did I really pay taxes (no matter what way it's done no one to my knowledge who's gone through university in the uk is purely paying their own way with zero public contribution ) for you to clear off to Thailand to play poker / educate people how to dodge immigration laws and dupe banking institutions Is that what my money went on .. What a waste
The things I posted are bog ... See full post
Good lad any help is always appreciated 👍
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59350031#post59350031)
Mike Haven You intimated I could read threads the other evening What's happening here is when you edit/merge threads they don't appear on this version of the site. So they aren't visible to me and others - I just got another forum user to check That other version I can't log into and I told you that before - same credentials I use on this version and they are rejected .So when ... See full post
If anyone else is reading this thread, do you have the same problem, or is it unique to Transparency? Can you not read the "old" forum's thread at https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/di... (https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/discussion-poker-sites/coinpoker-discussion-1860272/?)
by Mike Haven m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59350120#post59350120)
If anyone else is reading this thread, do you have the same problem, or is it unique to Transparency? Can you not read the "old" forum's thread at https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/di... (https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/discussion-poker-sites/coinpoker-discussion-1860272/?)
This link here works fine Mike, the earlier one however didnt show the same. No idea what/why that happened, just answering your question pal.
Don’t have a clue if or how you attach screen recording here but I’ve posted it on this X burner account so you can view - thread still incomplete on my end, on the other version it shows as per below https://x.com/fintecfail/status/2073145867259854880?s=46&t=zFsbCrKAVQfkimbZvSEy-A
by TeddyD m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59350158#post59350158)
This link here works fine Mike, the earlier one however didnt show the same. No idea what/why that happened, just answering your question pal.
Thx. Which earlier one, so I can check it?
by Mike Haven m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59350312#post59350312)
by TeddyD m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59350158#post59350158)
This link here works fine Mike, the earlier one however didnt show the same. No idea what/why that happened, just answering your question pal.
Thx. Which earlier one, so I can check it?
Well using this link https://www.twoplustwo.com/Discussion-of-Poker-Sites/13ve8/CoinPoker-discussion?page=6 The post following this [image]TT1Q3tW.png[/im
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Dudes like some 60 yr old boomer butthurt coz he lost in the casino
by BigBananas m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59350654#post59350654)
Dudes like some 60 yr old boomer butthurt coz he lost in the casino
See there it is again - a few select accounts always reply with the personals - not interested in the discussion that matters - neither of your assertions are correct btw and nothing said by me ever even suggested anything like that . You’ve seen documented evidence of me warning about going down certain routes with marketing that went unheeded and the mess that unfolded - and you somehow want to promote now I have some axe to grind ? That’s weird why would someone with that agenda try to help out end of February when they effectively walked away September the previous year ? (Jspill incorrectly stated that I said they “bowed to public pressure in February re 100% rakeback - wrong timeline I warned the minute that came out of how it would be received, that warning proved valid, players went mad, as per Carrels video “players are fuming” exactly as I’d pre warned and then mid month they capitulated to public pressure - that’s just factual) It’s the lazy overused excuse always used “oh guy must be a sore loser, dismiss what he’s saying” Problem is they are all valid across the board player concerns (or should be) - nothing is specific to me so why make it about me ? Take the latest incident big bananas - guy comes on yesterday looking for reassurance and a clear position on the status re USA play - something that’s been the topic of conversation for months now . And what does he get ? A forum reply “no we won’t confiscate” that is totally worthless. He feels better but he’s no further protected than he was before he asked the question. Why if that is the true position and players were concerned, PokerNews were doing videos etc etc don’t they just change the terms? And none of you want pulled up on that - “oh transparency/ Pokerbots just trying to create FUD” As it says there 👇 5min fix to create the same legal framework as was stated (but is worthless) in the forum reply But that doesn’t matter to you big bananas you just want to focus on some perceived agenda that doesn’t exist. There is no valid answer as to why they won’t do it, and worse they actually tightened up those terms before they started their marketing push this year in USA - but hey that’s just coincidence
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by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59350570#post59350570)
Well using this link https://www.twoplustwo.com/Discussion-of... (https://www.twoplustwo.com/Discussion-of-Poker-Sites/13ve8/CoinPoker-discussionpage=6) The post following this ... Does not include this whole post - it's easy to see as these screenshots etc don't appear ...
Yes. I see that the second post, successfully merged with the first post in the old forum format, has been software-deleted in the new forum format. I have reported the bug to TPTB and undeleted the post. (Though who knows what knock-on effect that will have in the matrix?) Perhaps the best quick fix for you is to use the old forum format? There has to be something very simple that you can do to log in to https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/di... (https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/discussion-poker-sites/), as everyone else does it, both manually and automatically. Can you PM me to explain exactly what is going wrong for you? (Let me know when you PM, in case you do something simple wrong there, too. Thanks.)
And on that specific point and the fact you get the “oh our terms are the same as the other companies” and Jspill keeps asking about ACR (who have 26 yrs history, and as far as I’m aware squared everyone off after Black Friday and other incidents etc etc etc) here’s a comparison in the two positions . And I won’t be doing comparisons in the future I’m just capping off that specific point - and I won’t be “going after” ACR GG or anyone else on the horizon unless maybe I see the “cauldron of stuff” and the “mindset” I see with the cluster**** that is CoinPoker … oh and under no requirement to do so either [image]Sk8aP8p.jpeg[/i
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by Mike Haven m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59350673#post59350673)
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59350570#post59350570)
Well using this link https://www.twoplustwo.com/Discussion-of... (https://www.twoplustwo.com/Discussion-of-Poker-Sites/13ve8/CoinPoker-discussionpage=6)The post following this ... Does not include this whole post - it's easy to see as these screenshots etc don't appear ...
Yes. I see that the second post, successfully merged with the first post in the old forum format, has been software-deleted in the new forum format. I have reported the bug to TPTB and undeleted the post. (Though who knows what knock-on e... See full post
Ok - so when I asked the other night Mike why posts were being deleted as I couldn’t see them?, natural assumption?) I got met with this ?
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telling me nothing has been deleted and that I’m unable to read threads “either” - the either I’m unsure of the context ?
When what actually had happened was as per your tweet they had been “deleted” when the editing had been done - so it was a totally valid question and observation and it was met with disdain??
You then comment “who knows what effect that will have on the matrix” which I assume is an impication that the thread would somehow become even more screwed up ? Someone responding to that given the previous responses in the sarcastic tone given would probably say “do you not know how to manage thread right?” It would be the exact same tone and context but would actually be directed at the party that was responsible for the error
There is nothing “simple” I can do to gain access to the other version . I mentioned this before, again the tone “in case you do something simple wrong there, too” . What exactly could I be doing wrong I’m using the exact same credentials to log into both, works fine here it’s rejected on the other version ? And do something simple wrong there too - what have I done simple wrong before these errors aren’t down to me? Only thing missing from this is the middle section as it contains the email address but I’ve no reason to be telling you I can’t use credentials and log in ? It’s just what’s happening, reported weeks ago and nothing has changed .
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Possibly (just a suggestion) as the error on your side appears to raise its head when you edit/merge is simply not to do that until you find out what’s causing the bug - no tech expert but logically it would work
But with all that said and done I just don’t think it’s fair moderation, granted frustration (from the same perceived issue in the past) maybe hasn’t been handled so well but all I’m looking for is a fair shake here - this thread descends into personal’s when it’s really supposed to be about issues - those issues are dodged by that behaviour or/and “non answers” by the CoinPoker brigade - and it’s that attitude that brought about “Transparency/ Pokerbots” in the first place
Transparency I know that you might find the following instructions difficult, but please try them. I have tried to make them as simple as possible:
Transparency I'm sorry that you think I feel only disdain or contempt for your posts. The written word does sometimes give a different slant on the intended meaning behind them, as I'm sure you know full well.
by Mike Haven m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59350742#post59350742)
Transparency I'm sorry that you think I feel only disdain or contempt for your posts. The written word does sometimes give a different slant on the intended meaning behind them, as I'm sure you know full well.
😂😂 Fair play Mike 😉
by Mike Haven m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59350738#post59350738)
TransparencyI know that you might find the following instructions difficult, but please try them. I have tried to make them as simple as possible:1. Change your password in the new forum format. 2. Log in to the new forum format with it, so that you know it works there.3. Log out.4. Shut down and reboot your computer/phone.5. Try to log in to the old forum format with it.6. If ... See full post
Mike where do you change password - id usually go to “privacy and security” but there’s nothing in that for password change or any of the others or any specific tab ?
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by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59350751#post59350751)
Mike where do you change password - id usually go to "privacy and security" but there's nothing in that for password change or any of the others or any specific tab
I don't know. I have never tried to do it. I assumed it would be there. (The new style forum is still being perfected as glitches and bugs are discovered. There are threads about it in the About The Forums forum.) In this case, try logging out, and logging in with an incorrect password. I assume there will be a "Forgotten your password?" method that pops up. That would do the same thing, in effect. Edit: See https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/55/ab... (https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/55/about-forums/new-forum-faq-1844759/) Perhaps your difficulty is covered there?
Hey all, I've been grinding CoinPoker for a while (180k hands, 12-tabling, 6max cash with ante) and wanted to share some numbers to see if other high-volume players are seeing the same thing. My pre-rakeback winrate is 0bb/100. Rake at my stakes is around 12bb/100, which is high compared to other rooms. Looking at the field database (~40M hands), I can't find a single reg with 100k+ hands who's positive pre-RB. So my entire profit comes from rakeback (50% at my tier), not from a real edge at the tables. I'm not saying it's rigged, with rake at this level, it's mathematically expected that even good regs will run close to zero pre-RB in a recreational-heavy field, since rake eats most of the edge over the fish. It's more a question about the room's economic model: is it a deliberate choice to keep rake high so that reg profit only flows through the RB program (a lever the room controls and can adjust), rather than a lower rake where regs would have a real, RB-independent edge? Questions for the community: Is anyone else with a large sample (100k+ hands) actually positive pre-RB on Coin right now? Does anyone have precise rake numbers at other stakes/formats to compare? Has your RB rate changed recently (lower %, different structure) for any of you? Thanks in advance, curious to hear other data points before drawing any conclusions.
by iNeverBluff m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59354193#post59354193)
Hey all,I've been grinding CoinPoker for a while (180k hands, 12-tabling, 6max cash with ante) and wanted to share some numbers to see if other high-volume players are seeing the same thing.My pre-rakeback winrate is 0bb/100. Rake at my stakes is around 12bb/100, which is high compared to other rooms. Looking at the field database (~40M hands), I can't find a single reg with 10... See full post
You are not alone Top 25 volume players 200NL CoinPoker a... (https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/discussion-poker-sites/no-one-winning-200nl-coinpoker-1862933/)
by PattePaul70 m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59354921#post59354921)
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59354676#post59354676)
Yes it needs to be calculated carefully, but it's still a form of rakeback
It is very shady of Coin to add all splashpot-winnings to the rewards in your wallet, and camouflaging it as rakeback, when it in reality is not.In addition to this, there hasn’t been any signs of splashpot-rewards in «my transactions» in the wallet until recently. Therefore people have been misgu... See full post
It's been their modus operandi They've decided to redefine "Rakeback" to anything and everything https://youtube.com/shorts/FgRB-KI8oOQis=KfBIIQO9UyxpMgDQ And that's when they sent Carrell out to deal with the plebs And people wonder why I got annoyed Because when you do this and the only time you ever correct your behaviour is when you are forced to to capitulate well then you can't be trusted it's as simple as that - the Mindset is "we'll try and get one over on you continually" (and that's all in the X reports it's how these new owners do business) So if and when for example they ever get the RNG certified do we trust them Because it's still in their hands the day after See the issue . that they are 100% to blame for, they've poisoned their own well
This thread paused July 4-9 then Transparency bumps it again with a rehashed list of the same things discussed already, to get attention, a rogue marketing tactic on his part. Then he posts his talking points about the RNG in the other thread that’s at the top of the subforum lately, to get attention again in a new thread where the RNG is unrelated to it and off topic (then mods correctly moved it here, it is the above post). Then he goes back to post there again with a lie, claiming a player didn’t get a mission, with an old screenshot from Coin’s Discord. But that player later posted he did get a Mission, worth 25% rb, the minor delay (he gets one less than a day later) was because it was a brand new player and Missions are personalized so require some minimal timeframe for that to be done.
Talk about tactics
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59354687#post59354687)
It’s just what he’s posted last 2 months. Your OP is about 20 players and a small sample too as you said yourself.
Top 25 volume players 200nl with an avg lossrate of -7.43 And thats over 4 million hands But then jspill shows a guy winning over 90k hands while claiming 4mil is a small sample After being told thats nonsense it was all quiet on the western front Especially about hidden reward systems The tactic is easy: step 1: copy paste ggpoker step2: never admit it
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59356310#post59356310)
This thread paused July 4-9 then Transparency bumps it again with a rehashed list of the same things discussed already, to get attention, a rogue marketing tactic on his part. Then he posts his talking points about the RNG in the other thread that's at the top of the subforum lately, to get attention again in a new thread where the RNG is unrelated to it and off topic (then mod... See full post
I despair with you Jspill - I don't know if it's maybe what you're smoking out there in the Far East or whatever but you maintain your a smart guy university grad etc "This thread paused July 4-9 then Transparency bumps it again with a rehashed list of the same things discussed already, to get attention, a rogue marketing tactic on his part" Now I can post on this thread as and when I wish but then you say "Then he posts his talking points about the RNG in the other thread that's at the top of the subforum lately, to get attention again in a new thread where the RNG is unrelated to it and off topic (then mods correctly moved it here, it is the above post). " Now I haven't posted on this thread in a week - Mike had posted last about the password issue and there's only one post since then which was moved here by Mike I presume - so how exactly did I "bump it" to get attention using a "rogue marketing tactic" - I never posted on the thread I posted elsewhere and it was moved here by a mod so how was I bumping anything But in the same breath you then mention the mods moving the post here - so you just negate your whole argument within the same post And the other thread entitled "nobody's winning .." In my view uncertified rng/trust issues might be pertinent to that discussion Anyway we're back to the same old same old - deflect - there are only one bunch of people currently employing rogue marketing tactics - that's CoinPoker and their shills/enablers I'm not marketing to anybody really - I'm just pointing out what's out there , highlighting it if you will and directing people to Coinpokers official threads and discord But you really are a dummy Jspill that's obvious everytime you type and your an utter waste of my time " And the missions That's Coinpokers email " The My Mission feature is awarded on a personalized basis, so it is not currently available to every player." That's pretty clear not every player gets them That's what CoinPoker wrote " As new campaigns are launched, eligible players will automatically receive access to Missions, and you may also receive notifications within the client when they become available." What exactly am I missing here
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by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59356331#post59356331)
I never posted on the thread I posted elsewhere and it was moved here by a mod so how was I bumping anything But in the same breath you then mention the mods moving the post here
Post 248 in this thread was the bump, and post 249 about RNG is the one you posted in the rake thread that got moved here, two separate posts.
And as for "Rehashed list of things already discussed" This is what you don't seem to get Jspill When I highlight things and they aren't addressed properly (or at all) you don't get to bury them because you gave some half baked nonsensical answer I understand that how it works a lot of the time , i understand that's how you and CoinPoker would like it to work but it's not happening not with me So the fact I have to continually bringing up the same things isn't down to me it's down to you/coin And that became obvious with your comments on the PokerNews video saying that people had "moved on" - nobody's moved on jspill nothing brought up in that video has been addressed by Coin it's as valid now as it was the day it came out - you even intimating that PokerNews now might have some different view on Coin just because pads and bobby were on it unrelated - I can assure you that you are 100% incorrect on that - but that's for another day WSOP is the news cycle at the moment by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59356343#post59356343)
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59356331#post59356331)
I never posted on the thread I posted elsewhere and it was moved here by a mod so how was I bumping anything But in the same breath you then mention the mods moving the post here
Post 248 in this thread was the bump, and post 249 about RNG is the one you posted in the rake thread that got moved here, two separate posts.
I have no idea what your talking about - Mike password last week The post that got moved here by a mod Then your post accusation of bumping (which I'd do if I liked but this is just to show your stupidity)
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Post #248 is this one that lists 'facts that are all over X @pokerbots1' (your account). Made on July 9, the thread had died down on July 4 with Mike's last post. by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59354893#post59354893)
Please keep in mind (FACTS)1) Un Certified RNG (they changed from provably fair to RNG and that RNG is uncertified for use by them)2) They showed a Proof of Reserves to garner trust and Patrick Leonard stated it would always be on view - that got taken down and nobody knows as we stand today about the player funds situation- They will tell you "nobody else shows it" That's irre... See full post
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59356355#post59356355)
Post #248 is this one that lists 'facts that are all over X @pokerbots1' (your account).... See full post
What's that got to do with bumping this thread That was posted in the "no one's winning" thread And it's not showing on this one Here's the screenshot of it in the OTHER thread
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by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59356359#post59356359)
What's that got to do with bumping this thread That was posted in the "no one's winning" thread And it's not showing on this one Here's the screenshot of it in the OTHER thread
It is showing here now for me, I didn't see that one get posted in the rake thread. Ok that's sort of even worse, to post that huge one summarizing your talking points from your containment thread, for attention in another thread.
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59356362#post59356362)
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59356359#post59356359)
What's that got to do with bumping this thread That was posted in the "no one's winning" thread And it's not showing on this oneHere's the screenshot of it in the OTHER thread
It is showing here now for me, I didn't see that one get posted in the rake thread. Ok that's sort of even worse, to post that huge one summarizing your talking points from your containment thread, for a... See full post
So now your whole post has been debunked as utter shite you're going to pivot to "you shouldn't post outside your containment thread" - who are you to tell me where to post CoinPokers own official thread addresses serious player concerns with misrepresentations Those were all pertinent points for that discussion and they are still in it (and should stay) You're just full of **** Jspill , you haven't brought one piece of useful information to any of this today , nor do you ever . And it's not even second rate garbage it's at some level below that I can't even find anything to describe it/you
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59356367#post59356367)
Those were all pertinent points for that discussion and they are still in it (and should stay)
They're not showing in that thread for me, if mods moved it then it's not pertinent. How is a proof of reserves being taken as a snapshot then being taken down, in any way related to rake, and other sites never even did a PoR snapshot at any point, let alone do a temporary one.
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by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59356316#post59356316)
Talk about tactics Top 25 volume players 200nl with an avg lossrate of -7.43 And thats over 4 million hands But then jspill shows a guy winning over 90k hands while claiming 4mil is a small sample After being told thats nonsense it was all quiet on the western front Especially about hidden reward systems The tactic is easy: step 1: copy paste ggpoker step2: never admit it
The OP of that other thread also said it's a small sample so I'm quoting his own words there, it was 24 players and the amount of hands those particular players played combined isn't the only metric here. They played 93k - 277k hands each. A player in that thread posted 396k hands he played at 200nl and 100nl, beating the games for 4.75bb/100 in post #97. Another player posted that 8.2bb/100 winrate screenshot above. His title was 'no one is winning' it is a small sample to make that claim, as shown by others in the thread not just me, and himself -he did to his credit go on to post the full datamined batch which is 405 players, and 71 of those were winning. As OP also says, potentially the 24 are not table selecting. We don't know their playing habits, or the date range either, you are saying 'top volume' but isn't it just the top volume over a date range we're unaware of. I checked the datamining site to try to find out but it just says 'a batch of hands from the past'. There are also people replying to this topic on X saying some of figures are inaccurate as they know the players, and on Reddit saying they did beat 200nl but then moved up, there's a winning mid stakes reg who made a good point on Reddit about the 'bias' in drawing a 'no one can win' conclusion given that. People were asking me to stop posting in that thread so I respectfully did, but it was reasonable imo to question a 'no one is winning' claim.
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59356362#post59356362)
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59356359#post59356359)
What's that got to do with bumping this thread That was posted in the "no one's winning" thread And it's not showing on this oneHere's the screenshot of it in the OTHER thread
It is showing here now for me, I didn't see that one get posted in the rake thread. Ok that's sort of even worse, to post that huge one summarizing your talking points from your containment thread, for a... See full post
So now your whole post has been debunked as utter shite you're going to pivot to "you shouldn't post outside your containment thread" - who are you to tell me where to post CoinPokers own official thread addresses serious player concerns with misrepresentations Those were all pertinent points for that discussion and they are still in it (and should stay) You're just full of **** Jspill , you haven't brought one piece of useful information to any of this today , nor do you ever . And it's not even second rate garbage it's at some level below that I can't even find anything to describe it/you by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59356369#post59356369)
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59356367#post59356367)
Those were all pertinent points for that discussion and they are still in it (and should stay)
They're not showing in that thread for me, if mods moved it then it's not pertinent. How is a proof of reserves being taken as a snapshot then being taken down, in any way related to rake, and other sites never even did a PoR snapshot at any point, let alone do a temporary one.
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Because your shady bastards in absolutely EVERYTHING you SAY and DO - the rake , the increase , the convoluted opaque unverifiable rewards structure all part of the one big deceptive cauldron of **** that is CoinPoker - and it all needs to be talked about as a whole . And it will be , it won't be let become yesterdays news
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59356372#post59356372)
Because your shady bastards in absolutely EVERYTHING you SAY and DO - the rake , the increase , the convoluted opaque unverifiable rewards structure all part of the one big deceptive cauldron of **** that is CoinPoker - and it all needs to be talked about as a whole . And it will be , it won't be let become yesterdays news
You're free to talk about it and have for 4.5 months on a daily basis, all as the site continues to grow and improve. At the end of the day it works, and it's providing an optional service for players if they want to play there, if players don't want to, there are alternatives, which also have their own issues, all poker sites do. Interestingly a player did decide to try an alternative site in another thread with lower rake but found that it was reg heavy with 'no fish compared to Coin' - https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/292/o... (https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/292/online-poker-sites/wpn-americas-cardroom-bcp-truepoker-ex-official-discussion-thread-1112097/index1600.html#post59343768) Because Coin invests the rake into acquiring new recreationals - this is another point that was made on X that pokerbots1 had no response to. I was pointing out your own deceptive way of doing so, you lied that a player had no Mission, with a cherry picked screenshot. If you weren't being deceptive, you would now quote your post, and reply with something like this and an update, stating he actually does have a Mission worth 25%, more than the 15% flat. Will you do that?
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your words are that the replacement for the 15% are missions
And then today you accuse me of lying because I posted something about a player who didn't get a mission
But Coinpokers email to a player states that missions aren't guaranteed - " Missions are assigned based on various campaign criteria" - There's a big difference in that from the GUARANTEED 15% , this is some totally determined by CoinPoker "as and when" reward and it's a complete misrepresentation to state to players as a whole that the 15% has been replaced with something "of a higher value"
And yet you just throw "liar" at me . like WTF
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when you stopped posting I actually thought someone with a bit of sense had told you to shut your mouth - because all you've done is just dig deeper holes for you / coin - the fact you can't see that . here I don't know
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59356383#post59356383)
And when you stopped posting I actually thought someone with a bit of sense had told you to shut your mouth
You're getting angry here I assume because you saw after that he gets the Mission. You are lurking there all the time and screenshotting it for X near daily. The wording of that email is not great but basically brand new players won't have a Mission until some minor amount of playing history is completed, then they're eligible because Missions needs to be personalized to the games played in that time. In his case the total timeframe was a few days, he was a brand new player. This makes sense, as how can someone get a personalized Mission before they even played. Cliffs - you don't know the full picture here and rush in to post something that you hope will undermine a site you have some personal vendetta against, then don't post the follow up that contradicts it. That's what I'm calling out here. Will you now go and post in the other thread that the player got a 25% rakeback mission? Posters there asked me to stop posting in it.
The PROOF OF RESERVES For the LAST time No one else has one or has done one CoinPoker did one to build TRUST - nobody forced you to do one , but you plastered it over your website and had Pads out front and centre promoting it and stating it would always be there That bought you trust - you didn't do it as some "freebie" it was to give the platform credibility . And a one off snapshot since removed what exactly did that prove (Even worse Mario saying Coin had 3x the customer funds . like pull the other one lads) And when it mysteriously disappeared- and no one had a reasonable explanation on it - indeed Leonard when questioned by me about it on the Omar show was all over the place , words to the effect of "what's that , I'm not sure what you mean " etc AFTER he had put it in his own promo stuff for Coin . his "I wills" But again this is Pads who had no knowledge 2 years into a working relationship with Coin of who Miranda or Grunwerg were When on the same podcast Carrell was saying how he dealt all the time with "Sam and Mario" Maybe Pads is the mushroom man Kept in the dark and fed full of **** Nah I doubt that
You were given a reasonable explanation in the official Coin thread, post #2451, by the official account as soon as you asked. 'It had a live widget on it showing all the crypto holdings - having that on the site permanently has some potential privacy and security issues, that's the reason it was taken offline, combined with the low views of the report.' You didn't consider that reasonable but it really is, lots of PoR reports are periodic snapshots, all across the crypto industry where they're more of a thing than in poker. If it was still up you would probably be saying it's a security risk take it down as it's already been up for a year now. You seem to try anything you can to undermine this site for some reason. It was up for so long that no one was talking about or looking at it anymore, it wasn't a discussion topic - because players tend to only keep the amount they need to play with on a site anyway, 20 buy-ins or whatever, and other sites don't have PoR either. It's not like the crypto industry where there's a reason to keep a huge amount of funds on a platform, to stake and earn yield for example. So there's simply less reason for a poker site to have one. I don't see the issue in doing it temporarily back in 2024 when the site was quite small, to attempt to bring more awareness to Coin, which has worked.
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If I search the official Coin thread for 'reserves' there are 13 results including the first announcement of it on July 27, 2024. All of the other results are you, there is no discussion of it being important or interesting from players. You were the first and only person to point out the widget is no longer on the site, then the other results are CoinPoker replying to you, as you bring it up repeatedly even after being given a reply. Then there are repeated posts in this containment thread that many players requested you have, to keep your bad faith posts out of the official thread.
Jumping in this thread. Posted in the other thread w/ my results lifetime & since the rake changes (see post #97) I actually play in these games and know a handful of these players personally, and have previously bought hands from the same HH site used to collect results, etc etc. The mined hands aren't particularly accurate. I remember looking at what my results were shown as and there was an error of about 6bb/100 in what was mined and what my actual results were. HOWEVER, I think the average player is losing quite a lot. I haven't played much 200 recently, but do have about 150k lifetime hands at 200 (before the rake changes). Another 300k hands at 100nl, with 100k+ since the rake changes. Here's my perspective on some of the things being discussed in the thread.
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59356371#post59356371)
The OP of that other thread also said it's a small sample so I'm quoting his own words there, it was 24 players and the amount of hands those particular players played combined isn't the only metric here. They played 93k - 277k hands each. A player in that thread posted 396k hands he played at 200nl and 100nl, beating the games for 4.75bb/100 in post #97. Another player posted ... See full post
But if you "agree with OP" in the claim that a total of 4 million hands is a small sample why even combat it with a sample thats not even 10% of that? Surely that would no significance and relevance at all considering even 4M is a small sample? I understand your role in defending Coin but a volume based sample of 4M hands from 24 players averaging -7.43bb/100 triumph a selected 396k sample from 1 player of +4.75bb/100 any day of the week AINEC
by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59357111#post59357111)
But if you "agree with OP" in the claim that a total of 4 million hands is a small sample why even combat it with a sample thats not even 10% of that?Surely that would no significance and relevance at all considering even 4M is a small sample?I understand your role in defending Coin but a volume based sample of 4M hands from 24 players averaging -7.43bb/100 triumph a selected 3... See full post
As the OP of the other thread, I will say that he has some valid criticism of my post, as does lorenzo. The data I posted isn't entirely accurate, due to the nature of datamining, and it has always been the case that some of the biggest winners online aren't high volume players. With that said, while my thread title was click bait, obviously there are some people winning, it still doesn't negate the fact that the rake is too high, the rewards systems are opaque, at best, and this is intentional. I suggest the following to make the games better: Immediately reduce rake - Stars cap is $2.75, ACR is $3, and Ignition is $4. I don't mind paying a premium for better games. Cap the rake at $4
Eliminate Leaderboards - Leaderboards and rake races are bad for the games and bad for recs. They encourage people to play too many times, burn of time banks, tank, and play a nitty style. Get rid of this completely.
Incentivize starting tables - Lower the rake significantly for starting tables. 3 handed or less should be rake free. This actually encourages people to play HU/3 way to start more tables. It gives everyone a better experience. More tables = more money for the site.
If they want to keep doing Missions, Splash Pots, and otherwise gamify the rewards for recs, that's fine. Maybe you can set it up to where there are two levels of rewards: Straight rakeback or Missions. Missions are the default. Missions can provide more of a loot box experience, but potentially bigger rewards, while straight rake back is just a straight percentage. There are probably flaws with these ideas, but I think they are a good start.
Oh I understand. Mass volume guys dont pay the attention to each table or dont table select to get a really high wr. But this is -7.43 over 4M which is telling. And data mining is never 100% but its not like the actual wr of them is -5 over 5M or something. If you toy around with biggest volume players on datamined hh sites on the same stakes and games you'll find that on every site the top volume guys are actually still pre-rb winners, CoinPoker being the odd one out by quite substantial lossrates across the board. So there is definitely a point for rake being too high on CP. CoinPoker is following a path that leads to being a less playable GG clone. Players were worried about this and Coin assured us they wont go that route. But we can see that this is happening nonetheless. And the 4M hands of big volume obviously doesnt tell the whole story but it does support the worries of players who want to win at poker and not only win at leaderboards promos etc.
Mike Haven I don't know what's going on with this forum now but all posts on 3 different threads I'm watching are only appearing on the old forum - posts aren't showing on the new On the new forum this thread is called "CoinPoker Discussion" on the old forum "CoinPoker Debate" - weird
Bizarre thread in many ways, i mean i think everyone knows at this stage CP is a scam and one day will all go to **** for all its users, but people dont want to admit that to themselves and thats the problem, the acceptance of being wrong to yourself is overriding the facts your subconscious knows is true, thats clearly just a thing and to pretend otherwise is just silly. Just like the legendary Squid Game token rug pull back in 2021or whenever it was. Some hype men (like jpsill is doing here) or whatever hes called, slapped a Netflix logo on it, promised a thrilling "play to earn" crypto casino experience, watched the price moon from pennies to thousands in days, then pulled the liquidity rug harder than ever seen before.. everyone was left holding worthless bags while the devs vanished into the sunset with millions, probably cackling in some non extradition country. If you dont all see that is exactly whats happening here, then well dont come crying to this forum when it does. Its literally inevitable at this stage , for those defending them (either as youre part of it or as you dont want to feel silly for falling for the scam) you are all refusing to see what is right at front of your face ffs. Anyway...rock on, if you disagree, i dont give a **** tbh, ill let time prove my point. History repeats, always.
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59356372#post59356372)
You're just full of **** Jspill
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59356383#post59356383)
And when you stopped posting I actually thought someone with a bit of sense had told you to shut your mouth
Have you or anyone else received private messages from jspill trying to engage about this topic? I told him that I am not interested, and he responded with links to this thread lol.
Sorry I don't really know what you mean by that , what private messages about exactly what And I have to attach picture as your post doesn't show on the new forum
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by TeddyD m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59357273#post59357273)
Bizarre thread in many ways, i mean i think everyone knows at this stage CP is a scam and one day will all go to **** for all its users, but people dont want to admit that to themselves and thats the problem, the acceptance of being wrong to yourself is overriding the facts your subconscious knows is true, thats clearly just a thing and to pretend otherwise is just silly. Just ... See full post
Seems a bit over the top to call it a 'scam' it works fine, you've been saying things like this for months now. You could be a hype man for competitor other sites as well based on your X history as well, unless you're just really friendly with other site ambassadors for some reason.
by albedoa m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59357334#post59357334)
Have you or anyone else received private messages from jspill trying to engage about this topic? I told him that I am not interested, and he responded with links to this thread lol.
You randomly told me to stop posting in another thread which was strange and I DM'd to ask why and I said the OP said I had some valid criticism, and linked to it here, what's wrong with that. by albedoa m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59354735#post59354735)
jspill stop posting.
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59357261#post59357261)
Mike Haven I don't know what's going on with this forum now but all posts on 3 different threads I'm watching are only appearing on the old forum - posts aren't showing on the new On the new forum this thread is called "CoinPoker Discussion" on the old forum "CoinPoker Debate" - weird
As you're only here to post in about three threads, about CoinPoker, and not to join in with all the other forum users' discussions and debates about other matters, it wouldn't be difficult for you to use the old forum until the bugs and glitches with the new forum, while it is being developed, are ironed out. Everything that is posted in the new forum is shown on the old forum. You tell me that, vice versa, that is not necessarily the case at this time, so it would help you in not becoming so confused, and thinking you need to post what show up as duplicates in the old forum.
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59357347#post59357347)
Seems a bit over the top to call it a 'scam' it works fine, you've been saying things like this for months now. You could be a hype man for competitor other sites as well based on your X history as well, unless you're just really friendly with other site ambassadors for some reason.
Yes i suppose i could.... but im not. Im just a dude who, after working in law and finance for 20+ years, recognises dodgy crap when i see it,. Anyway, each to their own opinion and all that. cheers
Mike haven When I asked about the password issue you directed me to a discussion thread / help section of the forum When there upon reading it stated that you wanted people to migrate away from the old forum - that posts made in the old forum might not show in the new forum but posts made in the new forum would show up in the old - for those reasons (push towards new forum , posting that wouldn't show if I used old ) I just stuck with the new forum - it seemed the new forum was launched at start of 2025 so I just thought the bugs would nearly be at an end And when you edit stuff Mike your actually taking it from showing it in the new forum and it ends up in old That seems to doubly defeat the purpose And it was that editing that caused all the initial confusion - this is a new issue this last 24hrs but one I'm sure you can see if you just log into the new forum - and I have no idea how this thread could have 2 different titles between old and new Anyway I don't know I don't really see it as a "me" problem - I'm using your latest version in a normal fashion , 18mths from launch seems a lot of your users are still on the old system and it's making a mess of both And your continual tone Mike "me being confused" I think a 5yr old could see you've got a messy system here thats not or my making so maybe you could cut out some of the sarcasm as that's better coming from the coin shills not the forum moderator I did also see on that discussion forum a post from you re t+c's which is one of my bug bears as you know with coin - it's nice to see you quote t+c's and I'm sure your aware that the "official CoinPoker thread" telling customers information contrary to the terms they are legally bound by could be dangerous / cause loss to them if they rely on those worthless assurances - that to me is something worth moderation but hey that's your call
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I have also now used the forgotten password link changed password and tried to log into the old forum - same result not recognised But the new password works on the new forum
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59357350#post59357350)
You randomly told me to stop posting in another thread which was strange and I DM'd to ask why and I said the OP said I had some valid criticism, and linked to it here, what's wrong with that.
There was nothing random about it. Which part of "not interested" is ambiguous to you? Your messages are unsolicited and unwanted. Stop bothering everyone who has told you that they want nothing to do with you and your bullshit.
Your post at me was unsolicited we’ve never interacted before that, rather than derail the thread I just asked ‘what’s this about’ in DM, then show you the post in this thread saying I had a fair point. It was so strange to get told to stop posting with no other reason so I asked why. Then you take the time to come here and throw more insults as if to shut me down here too, bit weird
So random.
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m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59354735#post59354735)
jspill stop posting.
by Pablito m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59354991#post59354991)
Lol. Stop posting.
by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59353313#post59353313)
lol you dont believe it?
by gruja_machko m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59354527#post59354527)
Look at this coinpoker bot lol
by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59354983#post59354983)
Dont be clueless
Slugant wasn't telling me to just 'stop posting' in either of those, he's a reasonable guy and also gave a nuanced follow up in this thread. He doesn't mind me posting, we interacted a fair bit. That gruja guy I think is the dataminer guy I talked about before in this thread who has a vendetta against Coin because he hadn't posted in 3 years, then he comes back to reply directly to me after I'd posted about him. And he tweeted about it at the same time, and the grammar / posting style matches. So there's just one other guy and you, but you've edited his post he gave some reasons after that about the sample size, you removed it. And that was after you. You were first and the only one to purely say 'stop posting' and nothing else. I just found that weird. It is weird you just tried to shut me down like that and then come here chucking insults, you clearly have a lot of time to try and silence me for some reason. I did stop posting there anyway, and let others post who then said they were winning on the site.
by TeddyD m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59357390#post59357390)
Yes i suppose i could.... but im not. Im just a dude who, after working in law and finance for 20+ years, recognises dodgy crap when i see it,. Anyway, each to their own opinion and all that. cheers
Well you have loads of interactions on X with another site's brand ambassador including getting sent tickets by them, calling them your 'mate' etc. And they are taking quite a long time to process cashouts lately due to liquidity issues over the WSOP / World Cup. They are getting processed but it's taking days on end. I just bring this up because if it was Coin you'd be all over it, I'm not posting in their community thread saying it's a scam, yet you go so far as to claim Coin is a scam / rugpull in Coin threads. The hate this site gets on this forum is the bizarre thing imo, it comes off as astroturfed even as Coin is challenging the incumbent sites and has the potential to be the biggest out there. You and pokerbots1 even tag regulators to try and get the site shut down, it's just overly vindictive and bizarre really, it's an ok site that provides an optional service to people, often in areas that can't play this wonderful skill game that we all love, as it's offshore. I've been working in iGaming 20+ years too, that just means we are old it isn't a measure of either of us being smart tbh.
by lorenzo99 m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59356930#post59356930)
Jumping in this thread. Posted in the other thread w/ my results lifetime & since the rake changes (see post #97)I actually play in these games and know a handful of these players personally, and have previously bought hands from the same HH site used to collect results, etc etc.The mined hands aren't particularly accurate. I remember looking at what my results were shown as an... See full post
Thanks for the great post, it's good to have reasonable people in the thread. I was also thinking datamined hands aren't particularly accurate so I wanted to know the source, then got silenced for some reason. Mega Splash Pots still happen btw, and I haven't seen a Mission worth under 15% they're usually much higher or if there's tiered options, 16% is the lowest, like 16%, 25% or 30% so it seems like the intention is for them to be higher, but just require playing volume. It's pretty easy to estimate the rb imo, there are tons of players on Discord estimating it, they say like 50% for leaderboards, 5-6% for infused splash, then their mission on top of that. Flat rakeback doesn't seem to appeal to recreationals, they want some fun bells and whistles as other pros who were winning said in that thread. Low rake sites like PayNoRake didn't work historically either.
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59357572#post59357572)
you clearly have a lot of time
I have a lot of time? You are harassing people who have told you under no uncertain terms that they want nothing to do with you. You are not worth our time. It is impossible to overstate how insufferable and uninteresting you are. by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59357421#post59357421)
Then you take the time to come here
You linked me to this thread after I told you to **** off, you creep. I didn't know it existed.
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59357583#post59357583)
Thanks for the great post, it's good to have reasonable people in the thread. I was also thinking datamined hands aren't particularly accurate so I wanted to know the source, then got silenced for some reason. Mega Splash Pots still happen btw, and I haven't seen a Mission worth under 15% they're usually much higher or if there's tiered options, 16% is the lowest, like 16%, 25%... See full post
Yes, datamined hands aren't particularly accurate, but I still think the average reg winrate is probably anywhere from -6bb/100 to -4bb/100. I'm aware that Mega Splash Pots/regular splash pots still occur, albeit much less frequently. I haven't played on Coin since the new mission update, as the changes last month dissuaded me from continuing on the site and I have moved my action elsewhere. I may play on Coin in the future, but as it stands, the unpredictability in their approach has caused me to reevaluate where I want to primarily play. I'm fairly sick of going into each month having a restructured rakeback structure and no clue what % I can expect. As for the rakeback structure, in general, it may be that fish don't like the flat % as much as the reward based system, but my question to that is why do the rake cap levels have to increase for that system to be implemented? I understand that PayNoRake sites haven't been successful in the past and that balancing rake levels is important, although I do think it's the responsibility of the players to always fight for lower rake and celebrating any rake increase is ludicrous. The increased rake levels are exactly mirroring GG, which obviously indicates they are trying to emulate part of what has made GG successful and them having the largest player base. I haven't seen an obvious uptick in fish over these last few months, however, and from April-June the reg-fish ratio I had observed prior to the rake changes has stayed about the same -- Coin has one of the worst reg-fish ratios at about 9-1 to 10-1. If I'm going to pay high rake, I'd rather have access to better games, and if I'm going to play in tougher games, I'd rather pay less rake. Coin, at the moment, seems to offer the worst of both worlds.
by albedoa m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59357617#post59357617)
You linked me to this thread after I told you to **** off, you creep. I didn't know it existed.
by albedoa m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59357613#post59357613)
I have a lot of time? You are harassing people who have told you under no uncertain terms that they want nothing to do with you. You are not worth our time. It is impossible to overstate how insufferable and uninteresting you are.
How is it harassing to send a DM asking why you've told me out of the blue to 'stop posting'. DMs are a function on any forum to avoid derailing threads, if you consider it harassment you can turn off DMs if you want until you need them
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You then DM back to insult me, I then link to an individual post saying I made some valid criticism, from OP of the other thread. You didn't need to come here and I didn't say to, it could've ended there. Now you're going nuts at me, this is way more creepy
Yes Albedoa he's an absolute nuisance - just feels like he's some lefty clown (everything with him is it's creepy/weird/unfair/untruthful - but that only runs one way as usual with those type of people) lying out in Thailand who's been given a few dollars by CoinPoker to run interference And he's everywhere it appears - He's Jspill on 2+2 Appears to run the CoinPoker main thread for CoinPoker posting as them He's all over their discord as James And it would look like giving the language/ timing etc he's also "Retired Gambling Writer" on X And it doesn't matter what's said to this guy he doesn't have any answers - he's just continually deflecting / muddying the waters As for Coin having the potential to be the "next big thing" - anyone thinking that at this stage of the game is deluded . They will pick up the "we can't play anywhere else" brigade , they will have some dart in and out for the tourneys but they aren't going anywhere long term He won't engage on points/issues properly - if he doesn't see it as "an issue" that's it it doesn't exist And I think it's dangerous for Coin and this forum to have him posting for them - I'd love to know given that people see the CoinPoker official thread as an official channel and in their view (wrongly) that responses from it carry some weight (they don't) exactly what remit he has or indeed what was given to 2+2 in relation to running that thread under the auspices of "Official" - can anyone start up an official thread and throw out misrepresentations
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59357645#post59357645)
out of the blue
It wasn't "out of the blue". It wasn't "random". As frantic as you try to rationalize your antisocial and creep behavior, you do not control these definitions. Your embarrassment is not my problem. We know what DMs are and how to use them. You are the only one acting out in my DMs. I am not going to turn them off because you can't help yourself lol.
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59357653#post59357653)
As for Coin having the potential to be the "next big thing" - anyone thinking that at this stage of the game is deluded . They will pick up the "we can't play anywhere else" brigade , they will have some dart in and out for the tourneys but they aren't going anywhere long term
It's now the 2nd or 3rd largest site for tournaments, from being a tiny site a couple years ago, the rapid growth was noticed in the industry so it wouldn't be a surprise if all this criticism it gets is astroturfed by competitors. Brand ambassadors of another major site even reply to you on X and you engage with them many times, then you don't criticize those sites for things that you would Coin, it's all a bit suspicious. You were saying a 7 hour withdrawal is bad on Coin, then another site takes up to 7 days and you don't mention it, some posters even came to you to ask if you knew anything about the withdrawal situation under the impression you were a rep for that site.
It's going nowhere (you've had a bit of a run after you signed up everyone on the planet and did free rake) I engage with most everyone else in the poker world without issue - it's just CoinPoker and its shills are bad for the game imo - quicker your gone the better Show me where anybody thought I was a rep for ACR I criticise coin because it's a CAULDRON of UTTER SHITE from top to bottom - I don't others as they aren't it's really that simple Just an example of the "lefty playbook" "What's all that about I'm allowed to post on a public forum" When they want their own views heard there's free speech - dare to disagree with what are more than often their delusions it's "you need to go off to containment" or "your a racist" (widely overused the racist one of late by these people)
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all this is doing is polluting threads - my posts would be 20% of what they are but it's just allegation after baseless allegation / mud slinging / libel / innuendo - for the very most part my views on Coin are only taking what they say /post and highlighting how it doesn't add up
This Jspill guy, everyone who can't toe his line has some link with a competitor / issue - he's unable /unwilling to deal with anything properly - in his tiny university educated mind his viewpoint is gospel - that's the real "delusion of grandeur"
No doubt he's the author of the CoinPoker post about not seizing USA funds - but if he's so smart he knows that meant absolutely nothing - and he uses this forum to mislead customers in that way (and I get called dishonest - and then that leads to me having to screenshot stuff to disprove those allegations)
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59357663#post59357663)
It's going nowhere (you've had a bit of a run after you signed up everyone on the planet and did free rake) I engage with most everyone else in the poker world without issue - it's just CoinPoker and its shills are bad for the game imo - quicker your gone the better Show me where anybody thought I was a rep for ACR I criticise coin because it's a CAULDRON of UTTER SHITE from to... See full post
I just post to respond to you. This thread stopped for a week as you'd stopped, then you bumped it again with the same things again. None of your criticisms panned out, and I wouldn't be here if you didn't keep making them. For example you photoshopped an image saying balances are cancelled 3 months ago, which wasn't true
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Or to just call someone a 'Tunisian rat'
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And now that Pads had a deep run in the main event you're spamming your thread about him to everyone to get attention, that is what running interference is, when someone's making a random post and you just come in to post your stuff. This post by Mario Ho isn't about Coin but you jump in to promote yourself -
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One of the founding people involved in Coin from 2017 Isabelle Mercier makes a tweet about the $30M GTD series on Coin at the moment, and you just link a random post of yours about USA stuff, but she's in Canada
Anyone reading this should check out your X history to see how you act
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Or like you'll post cherry picked things like someone's saying they're waiting for a withdrawal, but you don't include that it's only been 43 mins.
Or someone will say they have a withdrawal issue, but you don't include that he had a security issue ongoing and then it was all fixed
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Or you'll post something that looks like it's written by a player, but your forum username is cropped out and it's actually your post. Or claim someone didn't get some rewards, when they did a few hours later
Ok so to show I'm not running interference, I'll pause then. Let's pick this up after the Battle of Malta, I have to post some HHs
See immediately I look at what he writes in the very first sentence something that bears no substance / no reality
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been told , it's been proven I didn't bump this thread (I could of but I didn't ) it was editing by the mods
But he's straight out with it - like this guy is special needs or something - it only hours since he was shown there was no bumping but yet here he is again - he's a ****ing clown show I haven't even got to reading all the other garbage yet
FFS - The banner put up was a representation of what's in Coins terms and conditions - click bait yes but to focus minds on what was there - what's still there
Firenze I can call him a Tunisian rat on X all day long - and he got called it as he jumped into a thread after unblocking me , made his comment then hit the block button again so comments couldn't be replied to - he's a RAT
Maria ho's post mentioned pads - I responded "ah pads" with a report that points out that pads promoted a site and was one of their lead ambassadors but yet after 2 years "didn't know who he was working for" - my angle on that is if he wins it it's worth pointing out that he's a good poker player - but also either a bit of a dummy or not to be trusted Because surely it has to be one or the other
Isabelle Mercier YOU are the one brought her up only days ago - She has a background in Law , was a founder of Coin and seems to promote the site now so I think it's more reasonable to say to her "take a look at that"
I'll post on X like I wish and YOU'VE BEEN TOLD/ INVITED to post any corrections / follow up info you like - but you don't do that I'm posting about apples and then your on flailing about oranges just leaving it all messy - I WANT people to join your discord , I want them to follow the CoinPoker thread - I WANT THEM TO THINK
ON YOUR NEXT POST ANSWER THIS - An assurance was given on the CoinPoker main thread to a customer that balances wouldn't be seized for USA customers - was it you that posted that and is that assurance actually worthless leading the customer to believe he was protected when actually he was and still is acting in breach of the CoinPoker T+C's which gives them full legal rights to seize his balance FOR ABSOLUTE CLARITY if Coin were to seize his balance on the jurisdiction clause would that assurance given to him be worth anything And why if the position is as stated in the answer are the terms not changed These Terms were hardened up only last year on that jurisdiction issue
Just answer that nothing else - keep it to solely that and when you give your answer let's see how wishy washy it is - I'll come back on your answer on that sole point and let's see where it leads - then there are 100 other things that I'm happy to DEAL WITH (not accept deflection) one after the other
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59357579#post59357579)
Well you have loads of interactions on X with another site's brand ambassador including getting sent tickets by them, calling them your 'mate' etc. And they are taking quite a long time to process cashouts lately due to liquidity issues over the WSOP / World Cup. They are getting processed but it's taking days on end. I just bring this up because if it was Coin you'd be all ove... See full post
I assume we are talking about ACR here in your first para. A/They do not nor ever have had liquidity issues so not sure why you are making that up. B/their delays were based on world cup/wsop (though not liquidity issues) - and i v literally did call them out for it on x. im surprised you didnt see that considering you seem to be keen to follow me about and then read back my own social media/conversations with others to me. C/After i asked acr the questions they told me v clearly and honestly what happened, which is the total opposite to CP and their non answers to pretty much everything regarding jurisdiction/t&cs (which i note they still havent changed) hence why i view them totally differently to acr. Hope that clears things up.
This is the type of garbage I have to deal with day in and out - and this "retired gambling writer" is based in Thailand same as Jspill , using all his little terminologies "weird" etc and does nothing but clog up timelines This is the waste that our universities in the U.K. churn out. These people with zero self awareness, "I'm right and if I'm not I'll just put words in your mouth to make me right" - it's Just such a waste of time Doesn't matter how wrong they are , they are always right . And you know what I wouldn't even mind if they were just "at it" but they actually believe themselves that's the worst part. They've been moly coddled all their lives with their self entitled little views of the world - pretty much everything this idiot says are some form of misrepresentation right back to the pure libel of "threatened to kill 2+2 mods" - it's the modus operandi - deflect / slander that's what CoinPoker its owners and it appears their people are all about - right down to Mr Whiter than White Leonard "I don't know these people" .
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And if the mods don't have a clue how it works re missions what hope do you have "while others received nothing"
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by lorenzo99 m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59357631#post59357631)
Yes, datamined hands aren't particularly accurate, but I still think the average reg winrate is probably anywhere from -6bb/100 to -4bb/100.I'm aware that Mega Splash Pots/regular splash pots still occur, albeit much less frequently. I haven't played on Coin since the new mission update, as the changes last month dissuaded me from continuing on the site and I have moved my acti... See full post
The part I bolded is the key. If I want to play in reg fests, I can just play WPN. Why should I pay a premium to play on Coin?
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59357572#post59357572)
Slugant wasn't telling me to just 'stop posting' in either of those, he's a reasonable guy and also gave a nuanced follow up in this thread. He doesn't mind me posting, we interacted a fair bit.
This is true. I'd rather have someone affiliated to the pokersite posting than never responding. Then again, I wasnt particularly impressed with the response and to me it showed a lack of understanding, maybe deliberately. Unfortunately this goes for almost every pokersite though, only old pokerstars really excelled in customer service. by lorenzo99 m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59357631#post59357631)
Yes, datamined hands aren't particularly accurate, but I still think the average reg winrate is probably anywhere from -6bb/100 to -4bb/100.
Dataminers do not catch every hand but its pretty accurate nonetheless as a whole in the sense that 4M hands of highest volume regs making -7.43 tells a solid story, and mathmatically cant be far off from their actual lossrates. But the main part is the second sentence and this is insane to me. "average reg winrate is probably anywhere from -6bb/100 to -4bb/100" This is not poker to me and it shouldnt be for anyone. Please remember (part of) your slogan... CoinPoker... for the players!
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59357794#post59357794)
And if the mods don't have a clue how it works re missions
It's not a mod, there's no mod icon. You know this as you lurk there daily and he said there he's not a mod anymore before July, when Missions started. He used to be quite a while ago. Hence he doesn't know about this new thing. To clarify 100% of active players get a Mission, they need to be personalized based on the games played, so a brand new player doesn't have one until they play, so the site knows what to assign. It's manual. Old inactive accounts, similarly won't have one until they start playing again. As there's hundreds of thousands on the books but not playing lately. It doesn't take long, around 2-3 days to get a Mission.
So who does then Jason is fairly clued up he doesn't know , the players don't know Is the statement Jason made correct "some did and some got nothing" These people that got nothing paid rake and got nothing back in place of their 15% Because your arguing over semantics not the core issue Now you've edited - you've replaced a flat % where each individual player could see if they've been shortchanged and created this opaque system where they get the "chance" at some undetermined % reward if they "do your bidding" with the mission Guess for me given I wouldn't trust you to stir a cup of tea it's the opaqueness - you could have this down to 5-10% real terms across the board but able to hide it with a few screenshots of "look at this guy getting 60%" - When I'm dealing with shady people the default position is always your up to no good - unless there's some way to audit this across the board Your not entitled to "trust us bro" anymore
He's talking about how long it takes to get a new mission after already having one, not about how to get one in the first place. See the question he's replying to 'when will I get a new mission'. It depends on the mission but it's around 1-3 days. Sometimes actually a Mission can be used multiple times so it's instant, you already have it. It's pretty cool a former mod likes the site enough to still come to hang out on the Discord, the community there is great and unique to poker, you don't see this with GG/ACR. And you don't see low level employees on other sites bother to come and give their personal opinion on 2+2 either. CoinPoker is going to keep growing imo, there's obviously some issues as with any site but overall it's a great place to play.
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we sort things out for players really fast when they're on there, this is one guy you screenshotted on X as if he was unhappy, but he isn't. The email support sometimes isn't great but they're improving that in August with a premium support option, and if players do come to Discord they get better support as well.
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You didn't strike any nerve with me James . You're playing this game fast and loose with someone (me) who has zero to lose. And every day you just cause more issues for your business - and your too dumb to see that
Ok mods removed it but I screenshotted it for the record he doxxed my picture, full name with surname, home town, work / university etc. and more just over an argument about a poker site that's optional to play on.
You didn't need to screenshot it it's all on X - and one minute your saying it's not you and now your being "doxxed" make your mind up Mods seem to move very quick with your stuff James - thankfully Elon isn't bothered
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Public interest James my boy - your engaged in promoting criminal activity I'm just being a good citizen and friend of the U.K. / Thai people
The surname / pic of face / hometown and other bits aren't on X, where are you claiming those are or where have I referred to those in our interactions? Can you clarify, that's not correct, and that was clear doxxing so you're engaged in criminal activity, if anyone.
Oh yes they are James everything exactly the same as was on here You put all that info in the public domain and linked it to your nefarious activities/ promotion to others to engage in , a criminals "handbook" such as it was
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Additional info was posted, perhaps mods can confirm.
YOU Put it all out there You wrote the "criminals handbook" and linked Jspill on 2+2 in that The article about your physics degree etc (which you mentioned in this very thread) linked directly to your linkeldn I'm not one bit concerned about "doxing" allegations it didn't happen - guys like you need a bit of time in a cell , lets you reflect on your life choices . Or even ejected from foreign lands and back to the U.K. , there's a guy with 25 yrs as a top HMRC investigator who you seemed to have pissed off lately taking a very keen interest in you - I think he may even come out of "retirement" for one last job
You've put something in quotation marks that I didn't say or write, I wrote bog standard advice from expat forums, about doing visa runs in Asia and how to get approved on poker sites back in the day when they PokerStars used to require a utility bill and proof of residence / bank account to continue playing in Asia. It's been online for nearly 20 years and ranks well in Google, no one ever seemed to mind except you. If you mean TeddyD I don't think he's quite as vindictive as you.
Deal with the Thai's I'm sick listening to you
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Thailand had it's first poker tournament nearly a year ago actually, a WPT branded event, the laws may slowly be changing somewhat, similar to the recent marijuana legislation there (not that I'm into that just an example) many there seem to think it's an economic benefit / personal choice now, although it's not yet finalized.
Well then your good nothing to worry about - rest easy wee man And just remember James you've been with Clickout for a long time now - you know that company and people linked with pointing childrens/cancer charities websites to Gambling sites , intimidation of journalists etc etc . Don't be coming with the crocodile tears if you finally FAFO "No one ever seemed to mind" - no one ever does. until they do And the real kicker in all of this . the stuff your forcing will probably affect those outside of Coin in the same space, Operators and Players - collateral damage on down the road with Regulators/Authorities - so don't any of you expect to have any friends in the community you so cherish - you brought it on
Can we stop this argument now, please? It's getting a bit too personal and seemingly vindictive. Transparency, doxxing someone anywhere on the internet isn't a good look for anyone. Whether personal information is out there somewhere or not, please do not gather such and post it here. Thank you.
It got "personal" when libellous allegations were made that I "threatened to kill 2+2 mods" (which didn't seem to require any moderation here despite repeated requests). and the continual twisting of my words instead of just answering valid questions - so anyone wants to go back and read over the thread from the start that's where it got "personal" - and when it goes like that the gloves come off . As for the "not a good look" . I'll live James decided to put himself in this , unfortunately he didn't realise it wasn't going to be his decision if/when he got out of it I'll keep it reasonable here but that's my position Oh and I'm always reasonable . to a point but that threat to kill allegation went too far
by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59357915#post59357915)
This is true. I'd rather have someone affiliated to the pokersite posting than never responding. Then again, I wasnt particularly impressed with the response and to me it showed a lack of understanding, maybe deliberately.Unfortunately this goes for almost every pokersite though, only old pokerstars really excelled in customer service.Dataminers do not catch every hand but its ... See full post
cant be arsed reading back through all the arguments in this thread but this line stood out a touch....""average reg winrate is probably anywhere from -6bb/100 to -4bb/100" what the actual ****!? Do people realise how utterly insane and outright wrong that is for any poker site lol Thats not even vaugely close to being an ok thing!
by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59357915#post59357915)
Dataminers do not catch every hand but its pretty accurate nonetheless as a whole in the sense that 4M hands of highest volume regs making -7.43 tells a solid story, and mathmatically cant be far off from their actual lossrates.But the main part is the second sentence and this is insane to me."average reg winrate is probably anywhere from -6bb/100 to -4bb/100"This is not poker ... See full post
The error rate of mined hands I downloaded vs my actual results was about 6bb/100 off over 250k hands, so it can be quite inaccurate. I'm sure most miners are using H2N, which always had some issues on Coin, and exacerbated the issue. It's too high, for sure, but the average reg is almost always losing at every site on every stake. I think stars regs are averaging at about -3bb/100 (Or at least they were a couple years ago, I haven't checked for what the last couple years winrates have been). Coin used to be better, with the average reg losing at about -2bb/100. Also, just to be clear to anyone reading into anything I'm saying, I'm not defending Coin in any way. I have personally moved off of the site, I have bitched and moaned so much in the Coin discord that they banned me, and I was the person who first posted about the new rake structure on the discord and posted across several other poker channels the night before the rake free month started and the site's rake page was updated. I vehemently oppose the changes that have been made to the site and hope, but do not expect, for a reversal in trajectory for the site.
@lorenzo You dont come across as jumping to defend CoinPoker and I think you have delivered some good points in favor and against CoinPoker, so dont worry about that I do disagree with the part that the average reg is always losing at every site on every stake. I dont think thats true. If you filter top100 volume players for most other sites the results are very very different than that of coinpoker. On the lower raked site and stakes a lot of them are winning pre rakeback. Which should always be the incentive at the cash game tables, to make winning so scarce people have to rely on rakeback is just not poker to me. I've also had different experiences with downloaded hands, while they miss volume, I have often found them to be quite accurate with actual results. But of course there is variance in that too (I for one that didnt have the tracker issues that misses out a bunch of hands) @Trans Let say you have a good and factual case in your argument with jspill How on earth do you think it makes you look good doxing personal information, even if its available on other sites? I take an interest in this thread but the true facts and story of it all is so hard to follow with all the unrelated personal vendetta inbetween. Not to mention, it creates the idea that you are more vindictive than factual and I am sure a lot of other unbiased readers feel the same. So its doing the narrative you want us to understand nothing good and people you want to convince of something are actually checking out because of it. Which is truly a shame if you have a solid case.
@Slugant I think the issue with the site used here is that the hands I downloaded from them sometimes the tracker didn't track the Run it Twice boards correctly, and didn't credit the second pot to either player's winnings. I haven't looked at the exact dataset purchase and don't know if that issue was still present, but it was when I bought hands from them ~November of last year. All sites is definitely hyperbole, but Coin regs have always averaged a losing winrate as a whole, even when rake was competitive. Ante plays a part in it, but mostly just the reg-fish ratio, which has always been particuarly bad on Coin.
I agreed with that coin regs where always averaging a losing winrate but I have found it to be true that most regs on other sites are winning. And datamining sites confirm this. And yes, missing out on RiT hands gives a very skewed image because its missing out on a lot of big pots
by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59358710#post59358710)
I have found it to be true that most regs on other sites are winning. And datamining sites confirm this.
Bruh... whatever you are smoking, give me some PLEASE.
by ctbwx m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59358778#post59358778)
Bruh... whatever you are smoking, give me some PLEASE.
Something called reality and research, you should try it sometimes Here is the 200nl top volume players on chico, 888, ipoker & winamax See how most of the players are winners And now compare that too the top volume players on coin who all lose massively
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Off topic. Transparency told me his account password and I logged in to the new style forum with it. I tried it on the old style forum, and it did not work, as he had claimed earlier in this thread. Can other new users who only read the new style forum check if they can log in to the old style at page https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/ and let me know, please? If you can't, either, there must be a bug that I will ask to be fixed. Thx. T thinks I was making out that he is stupid when he kept reposting his stuff that he said had "disappeared" in the new forum, when I merged his consecutive posts into one in the old forum, and that I should now tell you all that he is not as stupid as I thought. T, you are not as stupid as I thought.
by Mike Haven m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59358969#post59358969)
Off topic.Transparency told me his account password and I logged in to the new style forum with it. I tried it on the old style forum, and it did not work, as he had claimed earlier in this thread. Can other new users who only read the new style forum check if they can log in to the old style at page https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/ and let me know, please If you can't, ther... See full post
Thanks for that Mike your only half the c*%# I took you for (And remember anyone who's using the new forum , you won't be seeing posts people are making if they are logged in and posting from the old forum - or that's the way it works on my unique account)
Wow, two adults being civil....
since doxxing was mentioned ITT - maybe take care of the other doxxing on 2+2 mr haven? passports, addresses , photos - enough to take over these people's identities easily for scams and fraud. https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp... (https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=59276627&postcount=5448) as an aside, someone told me that it was posted by a russian staking crew with ties to a certain poker forum .. curious that it remains here for so long.
by JeffPesos m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59359298#post59359298)
since doxxing was mentioned ITT - maybe take care of the other doxxing on 2+2 mr havenpassports, addresses , photos - enough to take over these people's identities easily for scams and fraud.https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp... (https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.phpp=59276627&postcount=5448)as an aside, someone told me that it was posted by a russian staking crew with ties to a certain poker forum .. curio... See full post
Yeah I just mentioned it to Mike in DM's so he's fully aware but I get the impression he thinks it's funny - maybe it's only doxxing if it's anything to do with CoinPoker who knows - anyway this forum is way way too time consuming with all its tech bugs , needless back and forths and low rent shills from all directions - I may drop in now and again and I may not - but always active on X @pokerbots1
JeffPesos Thanks for this, (albeit it's somewhat o/t for this thread; ATF would be a better forum for it). I've passed it on to TPTB.
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59359650#post59359650)
Yeah I just mentioned it to Mike in DM's so he's fully aware but I get the impression he thinks it's funny - maybe it's only doxxing if it's anything to do with CoinPoker who knows - anyway this forum is way way too time consuming with all its tech bugs , needless back and forths and low rent shills from all directions - I may drop in now and again and I may not - but always ... See full post
As you know, I have been responding to your latest 50 or so PMs since I logged on, and didn't see JeffPesos' post until I had finished with them. When you PMed a photo of the "victim", without any context, I thought you might have been showing me a picture of you with your goodbyes. Hence my, "Is this you?" reply. Iow, I was not "fully aware" of the post at that time, and I do not think the important point JeffPesos has brought up is funny; which is why I have forwarded it to TPTB. Anyways, I hope I speak for many others when I wish you farewell from here, and good luck in your future at X.
[QUOTE=Mike Haven; As you know, I have been responding to your latest 50 or so PMs since I logged on, and didn't see JeffPesos' post until I had finished with them. When you PMed a photo of the "victim", without any context, I thought you might have been showing me a picture of you with your goodbyes. Hence my, "Is this you" reply. Iow, I was not "fully aware" of the post at that time, and I do not think the important point JeffPesos has brought up is funny; which is why I have forwarded it to TPTB. Anyways, I hope I speak for many others when I wish you farewell from here, and good luck in your future at X.[/QUOTE] "And you can save me the faux outrage over "doxxing" (that wasn't doxxing anyway the clown had linked himself to everything ) when you've stuff like this sitting on the forum for months - that is doxxing" Think the chances of you thinking that was me were slim to nothing Mike - you would know if that had been "sitting on the forum for months" and was me I'd of said long long before now But I'm sure you'll fill the guys in when TPTB come back to you why it was allowed to stay up for so long And I'm sorry for all the messages trying to help you understand your own forum - it took a lot of back and forth as your knowledge seemed light on how things worked given your too set in your ways to get onto the "new forum" and understand it . I hope you've been enlightened somewhat and at the $30 a PM that you said you get no doubt you'll have a night or two in the pub out of our interactions - this years summer holiday might need a bigger sponsor but you never know somebody might step up - bye for now
My dear T, Posting what is talked about off camera in PMs, (you might need to Google what the P stands for and what it means), is frowned upon. Luckily, I didn't send you one of the photos I usually send to my suitors. Next time you send me a barrage, remind me not to respond. (Are you not away yet?) * Edit: I just read the subject PM. Between your, "And you can save ... that is doxxing", and the photo, added at the end, you wrote nearly 200 more words, on two different topics, and the photo is something like I imagine you to look. I'd never seen it before, and by the time I'd scan-read to the end I didn't associate it with any of the first 70 words of your PM. That is why I wrote who's that, is it you. As, I suspect, you well know; but, you thought of another way to disparage me.
You would think the guy justifying doxxing had a better grasp on privacy 🙂
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by Mike Haven m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59359652#post59359652)
JeffPesos I've passed it on to TPTB.
curious that they haven't deleted it. so many lawsuits waiting to happen in 1 thread.
How much is too mucb profit? Like what is the magic number u have to win before they ban u
by BigBananas m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59363189#post59363189)
How much is too mucb profit? Like what is the magic number u have to win before they ban u
'bout tree fiddy
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Trans, whats the source of the above posted article?
Tagging the FBI on your X posts is hilarious, zero chance anyone takes you serious
by tiger24 m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59364267#post59364267)
Tagging the FBI on your X posts is hilarious, zero chance anyone takes you serious
Daniel Tzvetkoff
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by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59364242#post59364242)
Trans, whats the source of the above posted article
Public information
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59364449#post59364449)
Daniel TzvetkoffOh and Black Friday... See full post
Black Friday didn't stop the grey market. If CoinPoker falls tomorrow people will literally deposit somewhere else within weeks. Everyone that deposits already knows the risks involved and yet they still do it. Playing from the comfort of your home on a global site with significant traffic and large prize pools are too enticing. It is a never ending cycle
by tiger24 m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59364456#post59364456)
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59364449#post59364449)
Daniel TzvetkoffOh and Black Friday
Black Friday didn't stop the grey market. If CoinPoker falls tomorrow people will literally deposit somewhere else within weeks. Everyone that deposits already knows the risks involved and yet they still do it. Playing from the comfort of your home on a global site with significant traffic and large prize pools are too enticing. It is a never ... See full post
My response was more in relation to "why would the FBI care" intimated by the other guy Totally correct, players will deposit somewhere else within weeks (in most jurisdictions). Somewhere/anywhere else would be better for all involved imo
by tiger24 m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59364456#post59364456)
Black Friday didn't stop the grey market. If CoinPoker falls tomorrow people will literally deposit somewhere else within weeks. Everyone that deposits already knows the risks involved and yet they still do it. Playing from the comfort of your home on a global site with significant traffic and large prize pools are too enticing. It is a never ending cycle
I’m not sure about that. I mean, I think many players, when they see an active online poker room, take it for granted that it has all the necessary documentation to operate. They don't ask questions. They just want to play.
by Cubeblue m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59364486#post59364486)
by tiger24 m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59364456#post59364456)
Black Friday didn't stop the grey market. If CoinPoker falls tomorrow people will literally deposit somewhere else within weeks. Everyone that deposits already knows the risks involved and yet they still do it. Playing from the comfort of your home on a global site with significant traffic and large prize pools are too enticing. It is a never ending cycle
I'm not sure about that... See full post
A lot even read the "blurb" and feel reassured
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by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59364242#post59364242)
Trans, whats the source of the above posted article?
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59364450#post59364450)
Public information
Cmon you know thats not an answer at all. Thats not how you cite sources, you demand transparency from coin so you should be yourself. Citing sources can never be as simple as just saying "public information", how would you react if that was coinpokers answer to your questions? Who wrote this article? Where was it published? Because the way its posted it looks like you copied it from an independent article or informational piece from a trusted website... But it could also just be written by you in different form than usual. Which one is it?
by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59364573#post59364573)
by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59364242#post59364242)
Trans, whats the source of the above posted article
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59364450#post59364450)
Public information
Cmon you know thats not an answer at all.Thats not how you cite sources, you demand transparency from coin so you should be yourself. Citing sources can never be as simple as just saying "public information", how would you react if that was coinpokers answer to your questionsWho wrote this articleWhere was it ... See full post
It's my own original post (which you know already and it's on X on the pokerbots1 account) compiling publicly available info - company records, regulatory filings, news reports, and Leonard's own statements. Everything is verifiable if you actually look. If you have a specific claim you think is wrong, quote it and why and I'll address it. Otherwise, this "where's the source" routine is just deflection. As for "if that was coinpokers answer to your questions" they don't give any (meaningful) answers to any questions - that's deflection too
I didnt know thats why I asked. And im not on X. If its just your words why not just post it. You made it look like you copied an article so give it more cachet or something. If the information in what you wrote is all verifiable you should make you should add source reference/citation. Thats simply how you write a piece like that. If you think asking for sources of claims is deflecting than that doesnt speak highly of your investigation.
by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59364589#post59364589)
I didnt know thats why I asked. And im not on X.If its just your words why not just post it. You made it look like you copied an article so give it more cachet or something.If the information in what you wrote is all verifiable you should make you should add source reference/citation. Thats simply how you write a piece like that.If you think asking for sources of claims is defl... See full post
It's my own original post compiling public info - company registries, regulator actions (like ACMA), filings, and reports. Not copied from an article. I'm not turning this into a full academic paper with footnotes for you. If you have a specific claim you dispute, quote it and I'll address it. Otherwise, this is just noise
OP doxxed me again yesterday on Twitter, we hadn't interacted since 9 days ago, I'd moved on. But he again posted my pic / full name / hometown. It shows that people criticizing CoinPoker don't have much substance to them when they have to resort to that. It's been 5 months now since this all started and they're getting increasingly desperate and vindictive. The dataminer guy who makes RTA tools and bots I mentioned before (post #81) that also attacks CoinPoker, followed suit and put my full name on X too. As Trans has said on X and here he'll 'never stop' and I don't get to decide 'when I'm out of it'. In his previous 'campaign' his target 'hung himself the pr*ck' as he said (post #83), after asking why Trans was going to 'haunt me for the rest of my life'. He also claimed he wouldn't post in the main Coin thread to 'stay in his lane' and suggested he didn't have time for 2+2 and was mostly done here. Then he comes back and posts a huge article in the main Coin thread, without mentioning he's the source. Slugant points out that he should state he's the author and give proper citations, but it's dismissed as 'noise' and 'deflection'. He also describes me as the 'main man' at CoinPoker which he's depicted as this terrible organisation, and a 'criminal' multiple times alongside the doxxing, which he says I deserve ('FAFO' etc.), so this is all arguably now a harassment case, given the intent is to defame / silence, and it's a repeated pattern that inspired others, with my identity posted to his 600+ followers. He'll deny it's doxxing but look up the definition, even if the info is online it was hard to find and he collated it all in one place. He found it from a nearly 20 year old article I wrote. I'm not bothered though I have a thick skin and will not be intimidated by these anonymous people who have a chip on their shoulder about a poker site they don't even play at, that they feel slighted by for some strange reason. Either that or it's a smear campaign targetted at a site that may just become the best online poker site in the world in the coming years. I'm proud to see 2+2 consider Coin to have a good reputation and to accept advertising from it, the first time in many years that this great forum did that, they are very selective and agreed because Coin has a 'good reputation' in Max's words. A forum I've been on for 17 years now, long before Coin existed. Apart from a vocal minority making spurious claims, most normal players on this poker site that's offering an valuable service to players who have limited options nowadays, are enjoying it, including high stakes pros among the best in the world, playing seven figure pots. Even players that were previously a bit negative, are still playing:
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Stand by every word/action And no "desperation" in it at all - this isn't my first rodeo and that's exactly what GAMCO's expect , people to raise issues get ignored and it all to be swept under the carpet - so "won't stop" is simply me pointing out that won't be happening - the same questions get raised again and again as they've never had any (meaningful) answers You do as you please Jspill I've made myself clear again and again and again
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59365093#post59365093)
OP doxxed me again yesterday on Twitter, we hadn't interacted since 9 days ago, I'd moved on. But he again posted my pic / full name / hometown. It shows that people criticizing CoinPoker don't have much substance to them when they have to resort to that
I hate the doxxing but this is a weird conclusion. It just shows this particular critic does that. A lot of the criticism I have read is of substance but it gets swept under the carpet.
by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59365185#post59365185)
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59365093#post59365093)
OP doxxed me again yesterday on Twitter, we hadn't interacted since 9 days ago, I'd moved on. But he again posted my pic / full name / hometown. It shows that people criticizing CoinPoker don't have much substance to them when they have to resort to that
I hate the doxxing but this is a weird conclusion.It just shows this particular critic does that.A lot of the criticism I have... See full post
It's jspills only move and it's just tiresome He continually goes on about this "doxxing" and I'm not even debating with him anymore wether it is or isn't - that's something he can take whatever steps he wants about , there's none of it on this forum (it was removed nearly immediately whilst there was a whole thread elsewhere on the forum with people's emails , telephone numbers , passports etc - that's removed I think now also but that to me is doxxing and it was up for a sustained period of time) anything I did is on X and jspill can take whatever action he likes And the reason he got called out is this continual misrepresentation by him of my words previously - words that by the way have nothing to do with him , weren't directed at him , but he seeks to keep reiterating his little "story" again and again - and it's only to deflect because neither he nor his superiors have answers - this is their modus operandi There was no "threat to kill" there was no "campaign that caused anyone to hang themself" it's been explained in great detail over and over but this clown thinks if he says it enough he'll make it become fact - it won't but he's too stupid to realise that And he had all the opportunities to simply roll back on that and discuss actual issues but he won't I never said I was leaving 2+2 for good I said I might or might not pop in now and again . Which I did the other day because a specific issue came up on the official thread which I'd done research into previously . That's now been moved to "containment" as I suspected it would be . doesn't bother me in the slightest it was expected but it was posted originally where I felt it belonged . As he correctly states CoinPoker advertise here and that was actually about those that advertise their product and the potential repercussions of that .it's useful information I would of thought Jspill never comes with any substance , I beg people to join their discord and the official 2+2 thread I think every player should view it This whole "campaign" never had to be any more than 20-30 tweets or posts - the repetition is simply to keep the issues alive that have been deflected on - because that's the only way you can do this (and I speak from experience) . No point anyone bringing up t+c's once , getting no answer and then letting it sit. That's how bad actors get away with stuff the "it's bad but don't worry next week it will be fish and chip wrapper" NO that's not happening today , tomorrow or any other day - jspill can make himself a victim all he likes , some of you might even feel he got a raw deal with my actions (I don't btw in any shape or form , I don't see the issue with it and know exactly why I did it , he brought it upon himself , he decided to try and misrepresent me and do it continually and that has repercussions ) but don't ever let it detract from the actual issues because they just continue to mount up and sit unaddressed - and when clowns like this guy get involved all they do is initiate things in the background with regulators/authorities etc that maybe I'd of taken a different view on without the nonsense - make light of that but I can assure you when those people actually drop the hammer on a company it's unlikely to survive - and the sad thing about that is that's the time when someone might just decide to cut and run and then people lose .. But that's not on me either The saddest thing though with all this is nobody would have found a set up like CoinPoker more invaluable than someone like me , it suited me down to the ground . I wanted it to succeed initially , even when I walked I still had hopes for it I suppose as I know some can't play easily from certain places but my initial reservations have just completely snowballed this last 5 months - I see it now as nothing but a bad apple , an accident waiting to happen , nothing redeeming in the way they handle themselves just the opposite - so my criticism continues
Just for reference as obviously a lot of you aren't on X - you can only be "reasonable" for so long
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https://www.twoplustwo.com/Discussion-of-Poker-Sites/13xpm/CoinPoker-Problems I have been trying to resolve serious issues I've had with CoinPoker, but support seemingly doesn't care about responding-especially via email, where they keep repeating the same messages and asking for the same information I've already tried to explain multiple times. I ended up losing money on Coinpoker due to issues I don't fully understand; they admitted to some of these errors, and I have already requested an audit of my account to resolve the matter and obtain a refund.
But he posted you were happy
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James just can't help himself - it's all he got "he also bragged about driving someone to suicide on the 2+2 forums and said the 2+2 mods/owners would be next" and in the same breath calling out someone for a "defamatory tactic"
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by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59365549#post59365549)
But he posted you were happy ... See full post
If there's something good about the site, shouldn't you praise it But if there are about 10 issues-including one where you win but the money doesn't land directly in your account-should you just stay silent Especially while trying to make a living from a game we all know isn't easy, and when these kinds of problems take a mental toll I'm still happy-I'm winning a lot at the stakes I play-but should I really keep quiet in the face of these countless issues Before the major update, I posted on this very forum that launching a promotion right after a major software update was a mistake; still, as a player, all I could do was take advantage of the 100% rakeback. If you took the trouble to look for the post where I was happy, look for all the others I made complaining about various situations.
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you satisfied, or are you going to keep defending the site? Do you want me to show all the emails sent and private messages?
by alexrsilvestre m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59365792#post59365792)
Are you satisfied, or are you going to keep defending the site Do you want me to show all the emails sent and private messages... See full post
The more back up the better to be honest
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59365093#post59365093)
I'm not bothered though I have a thick skin
lmfao this is your boldest claim yet.
I'm going to post updates on how this situation is unfolding: I stopped visiting TwoPlusTwo to avoid getting stressed while waiting for a resolution. Last week, they confirmed they had found and fixed the issue, but in reality, they hadn't (this isn't a direct criticism, as I understand it might be more complicated than it looks). However, I will say that support has been quick to respond, and I'm in direct contact with them via a Discord ticket, where things are being discussed more "clearly," so to speak. The only issue here is that I'm unsure whether I should keep playing poker until this is resolved; the answer I got from them was that the decision to play or not was up to me. I feel that, in a way, support staff should be better prepared to handle that kind of response-especially if they want to retain a customer. Then again, that's not my problem to solve; it's up to their team.
There were more serious issues raised before I opened the support ticket; I admit that the "relationship" between the client and the site improved after I did so-support has been acting and responding much faster, as I mentioned. However, before the ticket was created, I was threatened with having my CoinPoker account removed. They asked me to delete posts I had made on the TwoPlusTwo forum, claiming they could tarnish the site's image. I refused to delete them, telling them that if they wanted the posts removed, they should contact TwoPlusTwo directly, as I didn't feel I was doing anything wrong. The main point is that I've been playing poker for over 10 years and started playing on CoinPoker this year. I left Suprema Poker because I thought a global site would offer better security-even knowing I could potentially make more money playing on Suprema. So, if you plan to play on CoinPoker, I hope you're aware of how they tend to treat someone who, in just a few months, generates massive volume and decent rake for the site. I have about $30,000 in my account, yet I haven't withdrawn the funds-choosing instead to trust that the issue might be resolved (despite the risks). Of course, if there were another trustworthy site offering the same rakeback, I would certainly be playing there instead. My dream is for PokerStars to regain strong cash-game action, because-I repeat-it is by far the best site I've ever played on.
If there's a silver lining to all this, it's that if CoinPoker truly establishes itself, it could end up with a more secure system than other sites down the line. I'm no expert on the subject, but from some basic research, I can see they really have the potential to gain a solid foothold in the market-and I'm rooting for that, too. The more sites offering volume, decent rakeback, and security, the better it will certainly be for us players.
by alexrsilvestre m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59368026#post59368026)
There were more serious issues raised before I opened the support ticket; I admit that the "relationship" between the client and the site improved after I did so-support has been acting and responding much faster, as I mentioned.However, before the ticket was created, I was threatened with having my CoinPoker account removed. They asked me to delete posts I had made on the TwoP... See full post
You really should publish the "threat" Alex People here are always calling for backup
Jesus man. Do something more productive with your time
Well, if anyone runs into a similar problem, I'm letting you know that support told me it has been resolved; I posted all the details and the updates from support in a post titled "CoinPoker Problems." I wish you all good luck and hope you don't have to go through this, because it is draining.
See that's why you need to supply proof of the "threat" Alex . if it was made
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by Coin_poker m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59370469#post59370469)
I will be happy to send all the details to a third party moderator on this site to review.
Yes, do that. This one too: by ricalves m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59370509#post59370509)
@coin_poker Hello, I'm a micro and low stakes player. My account was blocked by Coin yesterday for no apparent reason. I tried contacting them by email, but your email support is very slow. Could you expedite this contact for me, a several days this happens and i have nothing about, no information, english is not my native language sorry. My nickname is kimdango
We should note that these are not mutually exclusive: Coin poker threatens to ban accounts if a player doesn't delete a post; and
2p2 users cannot delete a post after 10 minutes.
Zero chance that the Coin_poker replies are not written by jspill lol.
by albedoa m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59371542#post59371542)
Zero chance that the Coin_poker replies are not written by jspill lol.
Hes not ever tried to hide that iirc
Yeah I did say that before. Not sure what this person's issue is tbh and why he has to go so far as to lie about 'fund seizure' as some way to troll. No idea who he is. He tagged the Coin account so obv I replied from there, if I'd replied from here he'd be like 'oh why don't you use the Coin account'. Can't win with these people. Isn't it a good thing if a 2+2 rep is someone who's been on 2+2 a long time.
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by Megloooo m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59371547#post59371547)
Hes not ever tried to hide that iirc
I mean yeah, nobody else talks like that lol. But would you expect "our staff" to mean "me" here? (And why the **** can't he forward the hostile DMs if he was the receiver?) He certainly chooses his words to obfuscate and confuse. Why does he bounce between accounts in threads like yours (https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/discussion-poker-sites/no-one-winning-200nl-coinpoker-1862933/)? by Coin_poker m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59371273#post59371273)
and send him the hostile DMs you sent to our staff prior to this, thank you.
by Coin_poker m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59371306#post59371306)
Our site has been called a scam from the first few posts in this almost 9 year old thread, that's an unfair allegation that holds even less weight today.
My "Our site is definitely not a scam site" shirt has people asking a lot of questions already answered by my shirt.
Not sure what your issue is but you made up some false claim of 'fund seizure' after mocking me in two other threads, I think you should apologize for that. Mike Haven can confirm it didn't happen, he has all the info. The hate CoinPoker gets is strange, it's an optional service you don't have to play there if you don't like it, people might dislike the rake or whatever but it's not a scam.
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59371698#post59371698)
Not sure what your issue is but you made up some false claim of 'fund seizure' after mocking me in two other threads, I think you should apologize for that. Mike Haven can confirm it didn't happen, he has all the info. The hate CoinPoker gets is strange, it's an optional service you don't have to play there if you don't like it, people might dislike the rake or whatever but it'... See full post
I agree with this post. I complain about the rake here and in discord weekly. I find the scam posts odd, they had 25k concurrent players yesterday so the scam posts don't really move the needle at all. Seems like a waste of time. My rake complaints don't move the needle either so all I can do is stop playing cash games on the site entirely and only play mtts unless something changes
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59371698#post59371698)
Not sure what your issue is but you made up some false claim of 'fund seizure' after mocking me in two other threads, I think you should apologize for that. Mike Haven can confirm it didn't happen, he has all the info. The hate CoinPoker gets is strange, it's an optional service you don't have to play there if you don't like it, people might dislike the rake or whatever but it'... See full post
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by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59368056#post59368056)
You really should publish the "threat" Alex People here are always calling for backup
by albedoa m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59371216#post59371216)
Yes, do that. ...
I've seen the correspondence between Coin_poker and alexrsilvestre. It was all reasonable and helpful by C_p, and, actually, I thought he was going the extra mile to ensure there was a fair resolution. There was no threat, per se, but there certainly was advice not to post any more exaggerated and false information, (although what he had already posted was accepted as perhaps being made unintentionally, owing to misunderstandings by alex, who is not a native and fluent English-speaker), as such activity can lead to a ban. (Any site can refuse to accept anyone's business.) Fund seizure was not mentioned, at all.
He literally told everyone in discord that jspill was his personal account a long time ago, he never tried to hide it at all
Hey man, wondering what you thinking about 3-bet club subscription model of coinpoker coming soon. I posted my concerns of ethicality of it here: https://twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59371... (https://twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59371848#post59371848) (One of latest posts in coinpoker thread if link not working) It feels like video game battle pass in highly addictive and much higher risk life ruining environment then fortnite.
by Godplayer m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59371854#post59371854)
Hey man, wondering what you thinking about 3-bet club subscription model of coinpoker coming soon. I posted my concerns of ethicality of it here: https://twoplustwo.com/postpostId=593718... (https://twoplustwo.com/postpostId=59371848#post59371848) (One of latest posts in coinpoker thread if link not working) It feels like video game battle pass in highly addictive and much higher risk life ruining environment then fortnite.
If you asking me my thinking would align exactly with yours on the RG issues and it's just another reason why certain jurisdictions regulators would seek to have them shut down . when your doing the wrong thing you don't poke the bear (any bear)
by Mike Haven m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59371742#post59371742)
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59368056#post59368056)
You really should publish the "threat" Alex People here are always calling for backup
by albedoa m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59371216#post59371216)
Yes, do that. ...
I've seen the correspondence between Coin_poker and alexrsilvestre. It was all reasonable and helpful by C_p, and, actually, I thought he was going the extra mile to ensure there was a fair resolution.There was no threat, per se, but there certainly was advice not to post any ... See full post
Alex you really should provide the information as you stated you were threatened with closure of your Coinpoker account and you were taken on face value at that and it was quoted elsewhere Hard to see even without a full grasp of the English language that you got this that wrong but if you could please clarify
Really good deep dive into who's behind Coin Poker. Wonder when this house of cards will come crashing down.......and who it will take with it Broken YouTube Link
by TampaKn1sh m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59374582#post59374582)
Really good deep dive into who's behind Coin Poker. Wonder when this house of cards will come crashing down.......and who it will take with it... See full post
Welcome to "containment" Tampa
Lol. Shoulda left the vid in main thread.
by BigBananas m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59374693#post59374693)
Lol. Shoulda left the vid in main thread.
I'm sure Mike will be editing to keep the whole feel positive in the main thread
Wait, you guys dont trust Josh Consultancy Ltd.? :p
I just watched the whole vid but the ending is disappointing That coin is a guerilla marketing machine already I knew and that they own/pay many so-called objective sites was also clear. I always found it strange that a site like pokerscout put coin above the #1 for instance. But I think everybody gets this is paid advertising right? I am not sure what was exposed other than the guerilla marketing strategy and linked ties there, but shouldnt be news to the poker public. Maybe there will be a follow-up detailing more who actually runs it. Because if players want to know if there money is safe on coin, they dont look at the marketing department, they look at the owner(s).
by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59374788#post59374788)
I just watched the whole vid but the ending is disappointingThat coin is a guerilla marketing machine already I knew and that they own/pay many so-called objective sites was also clear. I always found it strange that a site like pokerscout put coin above the #1 for instance. But I think everybody gets this is paid advertising right? I am not sure what was exposed other than the... See full post
Yeah, was disappointed in how it ended as well. Whoever the owner(s) is/are have to know what's taking place. So giving them a pass for what the marketing arm is doing seems off.
It's one man's opinion - others would have differing opinions and might not put so much store into "who could have the wherewithal to run this piece of Indian software and move crypto about" as being that monumental a deal
by TampaKn1sh m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59374792#post59374792)
Yeah, was disappointed in how it ended as well. Whoever the owner(s) is/are have to know what's taking place. So giving them a pass for what the marketing arm is doing seems off.
Not giving them a pass at all. They are the ones that hire guerilla marketing people. But when doing a deep search into a site I'd rather find out who the owner is than who does the marketing department, also from the aspect of fund management. And who ownes coin was the red line throughout the story but dropped near the end.
very nice videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zV0AtxDBRU YouTube Poker's Second Black Friday Is Coming. This Time It's the YouTubers. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zV0AtxDBRU)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcosvbT-... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcosvbT-p_U)
by iNeverBluff m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59374892#post59374892)
very nice videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zV0AtxDBRU YouTube Poker's Second Black Friday Is Coming. This Time It's the YouTubers. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zV0AtxDBRU)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcosvbT-... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcosvbT-p_U)
Yep, we all saw it, and the other three people that posted it as well. Does no one check to see that maybe someone else already posted it? Apparently not
I feel scammed having watched that video. Just publish your meagre findings in an article that would take five minutes to read next time, so I don't have to listen to self-aggrandizing rambling about "responsible journalism" for 45 minutes, as if that anti-climatic nothing burger was some hot **** Pulitzer bait.
by hvete m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59375123#post59375123)
I feel scammed having watched that video. Just publish your meagre findings in an article that would take five minutes to read next time, so I don't have to listen to self-aggrandizing rambling about "responsible journalism" for 45 minutes, as if that anti-climatic nothing burger was some hot **** Pulitzer bait.
100% agree So much fluff. Few minutes was all it needed
look at these videos, ccoinpoker operate without licenses:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zV0AtxDBRU YouTube Poker's Second Black Friday Is Coming. This Time It's the YouTubers. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zV0AtxDBRU)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcosvbT-... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcosvbT-p_U)
Coinpoker operate without licenses!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zV0AtxDBRU YouTube Poker's Second Black Friday Is Coming. This Time It's the YouTubers. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zV0AtxDBRU)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcosvbT-... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcosvbT-p_U)
Brother no one is going to watch your shitty youtube videos/links, the **** out of here
When your marketing targets those who have stepped away from Gambling and excluded your scum - and that shouldn't be a "debate"
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by Michael2525 m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59381337#post59381337)
Legitimate concern go unanswered or moved to "containment" - as for seating scripts it's old news You'll be told to report it and that will be it - I reported it (along with other things) when I was playing there a year ago, plenty of others have on the official discord - your wasting your time mate just play elsewhere
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by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59381366#post59381366)
Legitimate concern go unanswered or moved to "containment" - as for seating scripts it's old news You'll be told to report it and that will be it - I reported it (along with other things) when I was playing there a year ago, plenty of others have on the official discord - your wasting your time mate just play elsewhere ... See full post
Thank you for post! I appreciate that as I'm always bombarded with hate anytime I voice my concerns and try to get answers.
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59381366#post59381366)
Legitimate concern go unanswered or moved to "containment" - as for seating scripts it's old news You'll be told to report it and that will be it - I reported it (along with other things) when I was playing there a year ago, plenty of others have on the official discord - your wasting your time mate just play elsewhere ... See full post
This makes me question the security of their site. This is one of the easiest things to catch. It’s either incompetence or laziness.
by MicroDonkYT m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59381377#post59381377)
This makes me question the security of their site. This is one of the easiest things to catch. It’s either incompetence or laziness.
I can certainly believe that! Or, in my opinion, it's greed. Imagine the amount of rake provided by accounts using prohibited software. I believe they absolutely know it and don't want to lose $$$.
Guys the post although relevant to the main thread will get moved to "containment" so as not to detract from the PR All negative feedback is Coinpokers own making , badly managed amateur outfit that they are But what I'd question is all these shills/promoters/employees play on the site as well - and god only knows what info they are privy to . I'm not saying it's one big rinsing machine from start to finish .. Just that it's a real possibility and who knows who operates all these accounts that sit down with whatever fresh meat comes along
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59381388#post59381388)
Guys the post although relevant to the main thread will get moved to "containment" so as not to detract from the PR All negative feedback is Coinpokers own making , badly managed amateur outfit that they are But what I'd question is all these shills/promoters/employees play on the site as well - and god only knows what info they are privy to . I'm not saying it's one big rinsin... See full post
Well we all know our friend James has like thousand of diffrent names so wouldnt be surprised they also use those to play on the site. What's also interesting is how BobbyJames a guy that any regula will identify as a pretty big fish keeps sitting down at the cashgames and winning huge pots. He also won some of the biggest tournaments and coincidently always did so at the start of a series while streaming those games. What a nice ad for Coin, isnt it? I know for a fact BobbyJames had access to Coinpokers Backoffice and was able to ban players and also see players standings. So a guy who's playing on the site also gets acces to all the player data etc. Surely nothing that could be abused, right?
by MicroDonkYT m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59381377#post59381377)
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59381366#post59381366)
Legitimate concern go unanswered or moved to "containment" - as for seating scripts it's old news You'll be told to report it and that will be it - I reported it (along with other things) when I was playing there a year ago, plenty of others have on the official discord - your wasting your time mate just play elsewhere
This makes me question the security of their site. This is... See full post
Welcome to containment
by Michael2525 m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59381375#post59381375)
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59381366#post59381366)
Legitimate concern go unanswered or moved to "containment" - as for seating scripts it's old news You'll be told to report it and that will be it - I reported it (along with other things) when I was playing there a year ago, plenty of others have on the official discord - your wasting your time mate just play elsewhere
Thank you for post! I appreciate that as I'm always bombar... See full post
Welcome to containment
by Transparency m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59381366#post59381366)
Legitimate concern go unanswered or moved to "containment" - as for seating scripts it's old news You'll be told to report it and that will be it - I reported it (along with other things) when I was playing there a year ago, plenty of others have on the official discord - your wasting your time mate just play elsewhere
We do answer all legitimate concerns of our players. Not many sites have a thread on 2+2 where they reply, but we do. The purpose of the 'official' site threads on 2+2 is for them to mainly be a community thread, for active players. For example 888 have a thread on here, it's called the official player's thread. ACR have an ex-official thread as they no longer reply in it. They are not really meant to be for critics of a site to gain a platform for their criticism. The rest of the forum can freely be used for that. Several active CoinPoker players themselves requested that you specifically stop posting in the main thread, because you're not an active player, you briefly played the casino games, then stopped some time ago. So this isn't censorship by us or 2+2, it's other players asking you to post your content, which is off topic in their eyes as those players who have decided they want to play on the site, in a separate thread. by Coin_poker m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59382080#post59382080)
Hi, @Michael2525 and @Transparency - seat scripting is taken very seriously, if you search online you can find some articles about CoinPoker banning seat scripters, e.g. on poker.org. So as mentioned please do send in the usernames of any players you think are using one and support will ban those players.We do also proactively take action even if players don't report the userna... See full post
why are mods deleting posts here. my comment from today is gonzo. and other comments too. what a **** show lol mike haven the coinpoker protector
by JeffPesos m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59382452#post59382452)
why are mods deleting posts here. my comment from today is gonzo. and other comments too. what a **** show lol mike haven the coinpoker protector
Your datamining and RTA / botmaking site was shut down (cphands.com) and now redirects to coinpoker, so you keep trolling in this community thread. You can post anywhere else freely, the point of an official thread is it's for players that enjoy the site to have a sense of community on the forum and get updates, ask support style questions etc. You know this. W moderators. Your post was false as well, you claimed articles about CoinPoker banning seat scripters were all fake. PokerIndustryPro reported on it, which Coin has no affiliation with, among others. So it was just a baseless lie to smear the site again as usual.
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59382477#post59382477)
Your datamining and RTA / botmaking site was shut down (cphands.com) and now redirects to coinpoker, so you keep trolling in this community thread. You can post anywhere else freely,
Oh dear, james. you clearly have the wrong guy. and once again, hhs are for sale right here on 2 plus 2 lol at you use this false accuaction and distraction / as some kinds of excuse to muzzle members of the the poker community. but given your org likes to use dirty tricks all day, including Fake DMCA takedowns, we are not surprised. by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59382477#post59382477)
Ythe point of an official thread is it's for players that enjoy the site to have a sense of community on the forum and get updates, ask support style questions etc. You know this. W moderators.Your post was false as well, you claimed articles about CoinPoker banning seat scripters were all fake. PokerIndustryPro reported on it, which Coin has no affiliation with, among others. ... See full post
it's also for the poker community to ask questions and call out bullshit. also - be real - you PAY for thread. it's for acquisition. one recallls and laughs at the time the new russkian 2plus 2 owners said they would never take $ for ads - and that this forum was for "the community". as for "lie to smear" - you and you cabal of global criminal associates know all about lies and smoke and mirrors. enjoy the day. if you don't watch your step - i might release an app that lets players on ur site sit out next bb. hahah
by MedalFingers m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59382485#post59382485)
I play HU everyday on coinpoker and I never see this type of behavior everyone speaks on. I have never sat and had all seats fill up instantly. I don't see heads up players bumhinting they just don't play opp who are the same what's the problem?
another coinpoker astro turf acc. just signed up to sing coins praises. .. and to displace the real talk onto "not the last page" i guess. donks
by JeffPesos m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59382486#post59382486)
another coinpoker astro turf acc. just signed up to sing coins praises. .. and to displace the real talk onto "not the last page" i guess. donks
I’ve been playing on CoinPoker daily since ’24. I play everything from NL 6-max to NL HU, PLO 6-max to PLO HU. I’m on the site constantly, so I’m speaking from my actual experience as a player. I’m not saying other people haven’t had issues, but my experience has been completely different from what’s being described here. I play HU basically every day and I’ve never sat down and had every seat instantly fill up. I don’t see the HU bumhunting behavior people keep talking about either. If you’ve had a different experience, fair enough. But disagreeing with you doesn’t suddenly make me an “astroturf” account. I’m literally just telling you what I see every day when I play.
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by Coin_poker m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59382106#post59382106)
We do answer all legitimate concerns of our players. Not many sites have a thread on 2+2 where they reply, but we do.
I've been asking since the 3betclub went live where the discounted MTTs were in the lobby, and you've answered other people's (bad faith) questions but not mine. Why?
by Rolled High, Bro m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59382541#post59382541)
I've been asking since the 3betclub went live where the discounted MTTs were in the lobby, and you've answered other people's (bad faith) questions but not mine. Why?
Hi I saw that and have been asking internally for the exact date when those will start, they have not started yet but will shortly. Once they do I'll make a post about it in the main thread.
by Coin_poker m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59382976#post59382976)
Hi I saw that and have been asking internally for the exact date when those will start, they have not started yet but will shortly. Once they do I'll make a post about it in the main thread.
Why would you launch a paid program, after a beta period, that doesn't have one of the main components live? Are you offering refunds for people who joined thinking that the tournament discounts would be live from launch?
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Not only is this not factual, but it's extremely deceptive, since the only image example provided is of a $260 tournament where 3bet members can save $60.
by Rolled High, Bro m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59383103#post59383103)
Why would you launch a paid program, after a beta period, that doesn't have one of the main components live? Are you offering refunds for people who joined thinking that the tournament discounts would be live from launch?
Not only is this not factual, but it's extremely deceptive, since the only image example provided is of a $260 tournament where 3bet members can save $60.
You sound so surprised...
by Rolled High, Bro m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59383103#post59383103)
Are you offering refunds for people who joined thinking that the tournament discounts would be live from launch?
Yes if you'd like a refund let me know your username I'll escalate it with support for you. The intention isn't to be deceptive, and I agree it's not good. The devs ran into some technical issues and are working on it asap for around the time of the CoinMillion next Sunday.
by Coin_poker m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59383376#post59383376)
It's been certified before, and soon we will recertify it again anyway.
you claimed it was certified - it was not. same smoke and mirrors with your "license" which is also not valid and completey fake - like all "anjouan licenses"
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-12-31/fake-gambling-licenses-anjouan-casinos/106158766 abc How illegitimate regulators operate in the name of a tiny African island (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-12-31/fake-gambling-licenses-anjouan-casinos/106158766)
so now you state that you're operating with a new pseudo RNG that nobody will certify because you are a crime cartel.
what a **** show.
by Coin_poker m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59383171#post59383171)
around the time of the CoinMillion next Sunday.
Actually there's now one in the lobby, today's $55 BI $1M GTD in 4 hours 13 mins The devs replied to me this is not going to be on an exact schedule, or at a very high frequency though, per month
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Serious Q: if your (crime) bosses do get arrested and extradited to the US and jailed, who controls the $ , and the payouts ? i believe they have also already had death threats fwiw.
by Fredsamuel m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59384703#post59384703)
Okay. I am definitely surprised how much exposure Coin is getting more than all the other sites though.
they have an unlimited bankroll - making more than many crime cartels - up to €100M per month. so they buy anything including poker media sites (cardplayer,pokerstrategy,pokerfirma) etc to game SEO and trick AI bots, and pay off broke ass "poker-influencers" (many with zero poker talent and huge debts) who may end up partially holding the bag when regulators catch up with them... and pay crappy poker media sites like pokerorg to spew out their nonsense and misinformation. Aside from poker this org has a very lucrative biz targeting problem gamblers ("no kyc casinos", "no kyc poker" etc) - they buy websites with high domain authority (eg greetings cards websites..) and flip the content to rank and bank - preying on problem gamblers) it's all in the game, yo!
no matter what you do in life, there's always a Jeff somewhere �� ��/
by JeffPesos m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59384723#post59384723)
they have an unlimited bankroll - making more than many crime cartels - up to €100M per month.so they buy anything including poker media sites (cardplayer,pokerstrategy,pokerfirma) etc to game SEO and trick AI bots, and pay off broke ass "poker-influencers" (many with zero poker talent and huge debts) who may end up partially holding the bag when regulators catch up with them... See full post
I don't have a dog in the fight but the marketing scenario you've described sounds like it would lead to amazingly soft games.
by Rolled High, Bro m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59385172#post59385172)
I don't have a dog in the fight but the marketing scenario you've described sounds like it would lead to amazingly soft games.
maybe thats why people call my shove of KK with 24o (they won that one tho) in MTT's
by JeffPesos m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59384723#post59384723)
they have an unlimited bankroll - making more than many crime cartels - up to €100M per month.so they buy anything including poker media sites (cardplayer,pokerstrategy,pokerfirma) etc to game SEO and trick AI bots, and pay off broke ass "poker-influencers" (many with zero poker talent and huge debts) who may end up partially holding the bag when regulators catch up with them... See full post
100M per month?? I doubt it. Even so you haven't taken into account their expenses of running the site etc.
Anybody else who is positive ev getting destroyed? Been running atrocious for months and barely making a profit, most of it is rb. I know how variance works but every month I am consistently 15-25bb below ev and its really consistent run bad. I put in variance calc with sd at 200 (I play 5c plo) and it says its about 1/400 bad run. Im thinking of waiting until worse than. 1/1k and then maybe gunna just play elsewhere. Most volume is 1/2 and 2/5.
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by Loudsniper m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59397395#post59397395)
Anybody else who is positive ev getting destroyed Been running atrocious for months and barely making a profit, most of it is rb. I know how variance works but every month I am consistently 15-25bb below ev and its really consistent run bad.I put in variance calc with sd at 200 (I play 5c plo) and it says its about 1/400 bad run. Im thinking of waiting until worse than. 1/1k an... See full post
Feel ya there man. I'm 25% below profits in EV over million hands in diiferent rooms. All you can do is just keep improving and grinding or quit. If you've got mental endurance and true love for poker (not for money only) - it will even out eventually (hint:some day, some year lol but there's no guarantee that you won't run again like this. Maybe you'll hit a huge long 30bb upstreak in the very next 200k hands but probably it'll take waay longer. Change your attitude and state of mind best I can advise. GL though! Cheers!
Yeah man thanks for reply. I should say I am not really concerned about running below ev if games are fair but this feels like since they did the update they put something in the rng to make winning players run more close to 0ev and just rb profit so they get a larger share of rake (redistribute from high winrate regs to lower winrate ones) I know this is a bit of a reach which is why I need more data! It will take me a while but ill play another 100k hands. If I run this bad for another 100k hands its less than 1/10,000 chance and at that point its looking pretty suspicious. Obv hope i run good 😀 we shall see
100k hands of plo5....cmon bro.
That's a stupid comment. Go learn stats
by Loudsniper m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59397395#post59397395)
I put in variance calc with sd at 200 (I play 5c plo) and it says its about 1/400 bad run.
by Loudsniper m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59398327#post59398327)
This run happens once every 50 million hands on average.
Which one is it? Because the difference is quite big... The variance calculator says its 1/400, but where did the 1/50.000.000 come from?
If you take 100,000 hands, there is a 1/500 chance to run this bad OR worse. So you would expect to see a run this bad or worse 1/500 lots of 100k hand samples. Meaning you might expect to play something like 50m hands to see a 100k hand run this bad. So its both. And also 50m hands is not an insane amount, this could all just be run bad im just a bit suspicious to say the least. Oh btw I know it changed from 400 to 500 basically its in that region, I dont know exact standard deviation.
Understood. Its definitely a bad EV run which can raise your suspicions (although I dont think they have an RNG that targets a 'random' 5c plo player to run so under ev) That said, 5c plo is one the most variance-heavy games out there. And poker is already a nasty game of huge variance :p It might take half a million hands to really set things straight but if this EV winrate is anything close to your 'true winrate' (also very dependent on variance) and the mindset is strong im sure you'll perform much better. GL! Only downside on Coin, once you start crushing, your RB dissolves 🙂
Id change room if things dont improve in the 100k to 200k hands journey. No proper license, rng could be box of nasties.
Certainly unlucky, but isn't having a 21bb wr also way above normal? You can run good and bad same time, it seems you run very good at EV. Unless of course it's HU or you're the best midstakes 5c player in the world.
Its prolly a bit high but not too much above what im used to. I should mention i have millions of hands lifetime and am up over a million lifetime in cash. I've had enough for now I am back on clubgg. Instantly running normal again, like this first session would be basically unseen in the past months on coin.
by PokerZil m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59398873#post59398873)
Id change room if things dont improve in the 100k to 200k hands journey. No proper license, rng could be box of nasties.
Me and chatgpt have been doing some investigating. Their license is for a specific version of their rng 'rng version 1.0' or something. Im trying to verify if that's what they are even using. Its all very obfuscated. And theyre linked to a scamming indian room poker baazi which isnt a good sign either. Same software, changed rng to poker baazi one. (Idk why poker baazi all one word is censored?)
I think what they might have is a system which is clamping high winrates, so basically the higher your ev winrate the more you'll run under. Remains to be seen tho, its still possible its a bad run. I need more stats for other high winrate regs
by Cashmanni m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59398904#post59398904)
Certainly unlucky, but isn't having a 21bb wr also way above normal? You can run good and bad same time, it seems you run very good at EV. Unless of course it's HU or you're the best midstakes 5c player in the world.
Whether im running good or bad before the allins isnt really relevant. Im only interested in if there's something nefarious going on once already allin. Card distribution feels totally normal before allin
by Loudsniper m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59398978#post59398978)
Me and chatgpt have been doing some investigating. Their license is for a specific version of their rng 'rng version 1.0' or something.
I asked AI too and it gives this... Its a bit of a hassle but if you're familiar with this stuff it might make sense. FWIW I think there are bigger reasons out there not to play CP at the moment. Not a big fan of their current trajectory to say the least.
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by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59399168#post59399168)
I asked AI too and it gives this... Its a bit of a hassle but if you're familiar with this stuff it might make sense.FWIW I think there are bigger reasons out there not to play CP at the moment. Not a big fan of their current trajectory to say the least.... See full post
That answer is incorrect for the retread software they are running now. Old software was de-centralized RNG, but retread software is not. They tell you on their webpage now. https://coinpoker.com/rng/
Yes they changed their rng with the new software. They apparently used the software from an Indian poker room called ********** (who had a very shady reputation) Basically AI is telling me that their rng certificate is legit, but that its specifically for 'rng version 1.0'. And basically who knows if theyre even using that in their software right now. Im trying to figure it out still. And just generally how are these people to be trusted. I think coinpoker might go tits up in the future but that does remain to be seen. Even with all this **** and potentially rigged rng its still probably better than ggpoker xd
So they renewed it to something less transparent. Thats really on-brand for CoinPoker nowadays. On their site they do say "We encourage and support anyone who wants to verify our poker RNG." I always encourage people who think poker is rigged to do the same but it never comes of it somehow :p Also, you need quite the sample. Datamining sites make this easy to do but im not sure if coinpoker is being mined. And even if it is, it is definitely against the rules.
by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59399491#post59399491)
So they renewed it to something less transparent. Thats really on-brand for CoinPoker nowadays.On their site they do say "We encourage and support anyone who wants to verify our poker RNG."I always encourage people who think poker is rigged to do the same but it never comes of it somehow :pAlso, you need quite the sample. Datamining sites make this easy to do but im not sure if... See full post
It seems like their rules have turned into: "Just trust us, bro" as they do everything they can to obfuscate any actual information we can gather to find out they are bending us over all the way.
by MastaBeta m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59399514#post59399514)
It seems like their rules have turned into: "Just trust us, bro" as they do everything they can to obfuscate any actual information we can gather to find out they are bending us over all the way.
I recently reported suspected collusion and let me tell you the support team did a full investigation. This included 1) the countries the players logged in from 2) their IP addresses and whether these were ever shared 3) any shared devices 4) any player to player transfers 5) number of hands played together And much more. I wasn't expecting such a thorough review. If they do this for a suspected collusion report, I feel confident that their RNG is legit.
by spuggie m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59401450#post59401450)
I recently reported suspected collusion and let me tell you the support team did a full investigation. This included 1) the countries the players logged in from 2) their IP addresses and whether these were ever shared 3) any shared devices 4) any player to player transfers5) number of hands played togetherAnd much more.I wasn't expecting such a thorough review.If they do this f... See full post
Glad that satisfies you, I can't find a way to trust a site that removes "Sit out next BB" from the software they acquire, and tell us it's coming "soon" since March, and as James had said, it's in the plans for Q4. I am not holding my breath, they don't have your best interests in mind.
Hi everyone, There are lots of things written about CoinPoker. I just want to know if CoinPoker is a legitimate poker room in which the withdrawals works without any problem and you get paid with no issue. Could you please enlighten me on this?
by majestic_madness m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59405061#post59405061)
Hi everyone, There are lots of things written about CoinPoker. I just want to know if CoinPoker is a legitimate poker room in which the withdrawals works without any problem and you get paid with no issue. Could you please enlighten me on this?
If you're a cash game player you don't have to worry about withdrawing, rake will eat all your profits
by majestic_madness m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59405061#post59405061)
Hi everyone, There are lots of things written about CoinPoker. I just want to know if CoinPoker is a legitimate poker room in which the withdrawals works without any problem and you get paid with no issue. Could you please enlighten me on this?
There's a lot of negativity on this forum for some reason but withdrawals are one thing Coin definitely does really well 😀 When other sites can take 5 business days or even longer, or prevent you from withdrawing at all until you jump through some hoops. Readers probably know what I'm referring to, and then there's no thread about that on 2+2 from what I've seen, it's only Coin gets all the weird haters. And yes there's nothing wrong with the site, people have been calling it a scam from page one of the main thread in 2018, and this debate thread has been going since April, but the site still works fine and keeps growing.
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by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59406491#post59406491)
And yes there's nothing wrong with the site, people have been calling it a scam from page one of the main thread in 2018, and this debate thread has been going since April, but the site still works fine and keeps growing.
Guess you missed their terms of service where they explicitly point out regions you can't play in, then pay a bunch of content creators whose audiences are in those regions to promote them, then allow people from those forbidden regions to sign up and deposit and play, but could rug pull everyone and they'd be SOL
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59406491#post59406491)
When other sites can take 5 business days or even longer, or prevent you from withdrawing at all until you jump through some hoops. Readers probably know what I'm referring to, and then there's no thread about that on 2+2 from what I've seen, it's only Coin gets all the weird haters. And yes there's nothing wrong with the site, people have been calling it a scam from page one o... See full post
Pretty much all the sites I play on have almost instant and easy withdrawals, this isnt something exclusively on CP Maybe thats why there arent many threads about it by "weird haters" I am not someone who said this site was a scam from the get-go but lately it does feel that way The extremely high rake was acceptable because of the high RB%, but now you have pay to join the 3bet club and basically become a losing player just to get a piece of the pie. Because missions suddenly now are part of the bankroll boosts for downswing players. Scam might be too harsh but as a player doing his very best to win at the tables I certainly im getting ripped off. So I havent played on CP since.
People have been making this exact argument for years, and so far there's no history of CoinPoker using those terms to avoid paying players. A lot of crypto based sites have geographic restrictions in their TOS because of the regulatory environment they operate under. That's not the same thing as saying they're planning to rug everyone. I'm American and I've played on the site without having issues with deposits or withdrawals. If there's an actual example of CoinPoker refusing to pay a legitimate player because of these terms, post it. That would be a much stronger argument than saying they could theoretically do it. by TampaKn1sh m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59406630#post59406630)
by jspill m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59406491#post59406491)
And yes there's nothing wrong with the site, people have been calling it a scam from page one of the main thread in 2018, and this debate thread has been going since April, but the site still works fine and keeps growing.
Guess you missed their terms of service where they explicitly point out regions you can't play in, then pay a bunch of content creators whose audiences are in ... See full post
I have been playing on Coinpoker for 2 years now consistently. I am American and never had a problem withdrawing funds. super fast aswell by majestic_madness m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59405061#post59405061)
Hi everyone, There are lots of things written about CoinPoker. I just want to know if CoinPoker is a legitimate poker room in which the withdrawals works without any problem and you get paid with no issue. Could you please enlighten me on this
buddy you can sit out next hand. and click the exit button to leave automatically. wtf does sit out next bb do for you does it give you satisfaction
by MastaBeta m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59404001#post59404001)
by MetalFIngers m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59406712#post59406712)
People have been making this exact argument for years, and so far there's no history of CoinPoker using those terms to avoid paying players. A lot of crypto based sites have geographic restrictions in their TOS because of the regulatory environment they operate under. That's not the same thing as saying they're planning to rug everyone.I'm American and I've played on the site w... See full post
It's arguments like this that make me think you are just another James account. Almost the exact same wording as Jspill. But like I said in the other thread, you do you buddy. Enjoy your day
by MetalFIngers m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59406712#post59406712)
People have been making this exact argument for years, and so far there's no history of CoinPoker using those terms to avoid paying players. A lot of crypto based sites have geographic restrictions in their TOS because of the regulatory environment they operate under. That's not the same thing as saying they're planning to rug everyone.I'm American and I've played on the site w... See full post
While I haven't seen evidence that they have withheld funds from people playing in restricted areas, it is in their TOS and they don't do anything to enforce it. Why have it in the TOS if they don't plan to enforce it? What else do they not enforce? If push came to shove, it is clearly in black and white and you will have no recourse. As long as people are clear about what the terms are and what the risk is, then you do you.
by MicroDonkYT m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59408099#post59408099)
Why have it in the TOS if they don't plan to enforce it?
Maybe so that they can claim innocence to US authorities and say, they knew nuffin about people from the US playing there?
by Coin_poker m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59411459#post59411459)
it's not a fixed % you can easily know in advance, it depends on your play.
How do you connect such a vague rakeback with Coinpoker's tagline from your own homepage/website? "From elite high-stakes action to everyday games, CoinPoker delivers a transparent, crypto-friendly poker experience for all." And all other claims about CoinPoker aiming for high transparency for that matter? To me, answering a question about rakeback with CoinPoker's own numbers would be a lot more transparent than having to quote the rakeback results from one particular player.
by fundiver199 m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59412029#post59412029)
Maybe so that they can claim innocence to US authorities and say, they knew nuffin about people from the US playing there?
Well, that doesn't make sense, because they allow US addresses, IP addresses, payment methods, etc. Even if that were the case, logically, the next step in that scenario would be to start enforcing their rules, right? Are we just going by the "trust me bro" honor code here?
by spuggie m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59401450#post59401450)
by MastaBeta m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59399514#post59399514)
It seems like their rules have turned into: "Just trust us, bro" as they do everything they can to obfuscate any actual information we can gather to find out they are bending us over all the way.
I recently reported suspected collusion and let me tell you the support team did a full investigation. This included 1) the countries the players logged in from 2) their IP addresses an... See full post
Yes I also feel they take collusion etc seriously given pads involvement on that side And when you bear in mind they obviously take on board what pros they have on b by MicroDonkYT m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59412220#post59412220)
by fundiver199 m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59412029#post59412029)
Maybe so that they can claim innocence to US authorities and say, they knew nuffin about people from the US playing there
Well, that doesn't make sense, because they allow US addresses, IP addresses, payment methods, etc. Even if that were the case, logically, the next step in that scenario would be to start enforcing their rules, right Are we just going by the "trust me bro" ho... See full post
What else is there anywhere but "trust me bro"
by Mike Haven m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59412530#post59412530)
This thread is effectively their forum, for their players to ask their questions and for assistance, if necessary.Occasionally their Rep asks for posts by non-players to be moved out of their thread and into the "open" forum. I think this is fair and reasonable, so I usually do it. Yours was moved into the "Coinpoker Debate" thread in DoPS, where you and other non-players, (or ... See full post
But the chances of getting an answer do get very slim this way. Because the rep did read it but instead of answering he just wanted it to be moved out of sight. Am I correct in thinking that if I was still playing Coin my question would have stood here? If so, I have played hands on Coin beginning of this year and have an account there, so when do I start qualifying as a "non-player"? Particularly because I would still actively play there if the RB was more transparent which my question was specifically about and most other RB-related posts (like all the positive ones) where allowed to stay up.
by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59412733#post59412733)
But the chances of getting an answer do get very slim this way. Because the rep did read it but instead of answering he just wanted it to be moved out of sight.Am I correct in thinking that if I was still playing Coin my question would have stood here?If so, I have played hands on Coin beginning of this year and have an account there, so when do I start qualifying as a "non-pla... See full post
like let me give you a different pov here. you literally said you quit playing on coin a couple scrolls above after playing 200k hands, so you kinda already tagged yourself as a non-player and still commenting in a players community thread so from the mod/rep's pov, and i've worked as a customer support rep at 3 different companies, why would he reply to you when he doesn't really have to? you're not a potential client and you're not a current player either. any employee is just gonna stick to what they're actually supposed to be doing for work instead of going out of their way to answer someone they don't need to and yeah i think the guy above pretty much already answered it. if you were actually a player on their site, your messages probably would've stayed here instead of getting moved over there
by Shove in me king m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59412755#post59412755)
like let me give you a different pov here. you literally said you quit playing on coin a couple scrolls above after playing 200k hands, so you kinda already tagged yourself as a non-player and still commenting in a players community threadso from the mod/rep's pov, and i've worked as a customer support rep at 3 different companies, why would he reply to you when he doesn't real... See full post
300k yea but fair enough I just thought since the topic was surrounding the exact reason I quit (at least for the time being) my volume on Coin I thought it was relevant enough to stay up or be answered. Pokersites also send promotions and reload bonuses to players that havent been active for over a year. Why would they do that considering they are now non-players?? If they can address them surely they can address me, how am I not a potential client but other inactive players are? As an active poker player I go where I think I'll have the best poker experience. Coin should be in the running for that.
by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59412069#post59412069)
How do you connect such a vague rakeback with Coinpoker's tagline from your own homepage/website?"From elite high-stakes action to everyday games, CoinPoker delivers a transparent, crypto-friendly poker experience for all."And all other claims about CoinPoker aiming for high transparency for that matter?To me, answering a question about rakeback with CoinPoker's own numbers wou... See full post
That homepage text isn't specifically referring to rewards, players could consider CoinPoker transparent for reasons like us not having hidden requirements to generate rake in poker if you win in the sportsbook, that was a recently viral topic online. Or HUDs being banned so that everyone is on a level playing field, the tables not being anonymous, not having to wait a long time to receive a cashout, us making tweets before about refunding players that were cheated, having the kind of security needed to have nosebleed games and $1-2 million pots this year, etc. Or that we have a 2+2 thread and Discord to respond to players alongside our own community, and also respond in threads from non-players like this one. We posted on Sept 30 that it's best if non-players post here or elsewhere, and you posted on Oct 4 you are a non-player, so please kindly post here. The overall amount of rewards is $7M per month, there isn't a 'rakeback %' because those rewards are partly volume based. Since a player still asked for a %, I provided one example from a popular YouTuber who had given his personal % in a video.
by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59412733#post59412733)
But the chances of getting an answer do get very slim this way. Because the rep did read it but instead of answering he just wanted it to be moved out of sight.Am I correct in thinking that if I was still playing Coin my question would have stood here?If so, I have played hands on Coin beginning of this year and have an account there, so when do I start qualifying as a "non-pla... See full post
The Rep asked. I agreed to move the post. If he didn't ask, I probably wouldn't have moved it. I may or may not agree with any other requests that he might make. This thread is not exactly "out of sight". It's been on the front page of Discussion of Poker Sites since it was started. The Rep tells me he is willing to respond to posts in this thread, on occasion. by Shove in me king m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59412755#post59412755)
... so from the mod/rep's pov, and i've worked as a customer support rep at 3 different companies, why would he reply to you when he doesn't really have to? you're not a potential client and you're not a current player either. any employee is just gonna stick to what they're actually supposed to be doing for work instead of going out of their way to answer someone they don't ne... See full post
This is a very reasonable post. by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59412770#post59412770)
... If they can address them surely they can address me, how am I not a potential client but other inactive players are? As an active poker player I go where I think I'll have the best poker experience. Coin should be in the running for that.
Fair point. I would hope the Rep will engage with you if he thinks that any response he makes will be helpful or provide new information. * Edit: I was writing this while I was cooking a fish pie and the Rep was posting.
👍 Bon appetit
by Loudsniper m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59398982#post59398982)
I think what they might have is a system which is clamping high winrates, so basically the higher your ev winrate the more you'll run under. Remains to be seen tho, its still possible its a bad run. I need more stats for other high winrate regs
I share your feelings now. Datamining could find interesting results.
by MetalFIngers m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59406712#post59406712)
I have been playing on Coinpoker for 2 years now consistently. I am American and never had a problem withdrawing funds. super fast aswell
No one had a problem with Full Tilt Poker...........until they did. The concern is that their terms and conditions outright say you can't play there, yet they allow it. How long until they pull the rug?
CoinPoker just increased rake on all non-turbo non high-stakes tournaments this Sunday without informing players.
Some changes are about to be announced right after The One ends, and may be being tested out slightly prior to that.
Speaking of The One, had some fun over the weekend. It was even going well for a while lol
Hello, Winning 1/2 - 2/5 player here (except on coin) Does anyone that plays on coin plo5/plo6 feels weird about the games compared to other rooms? Always new nicknames popping up, some players who seem super ******ed sitting on big stacks on every table making weird moves and winning. The field in general seems like they bluffcatch way wider and bluff way more than other rooms. New nicknames sitting on big stacks across multiple tables, opening super weird hands and 3betting super wide, my suspect is some sort of collusion ring who share cards, win a lot even tho technically they seem ******ed. Did anybody had same feeling as me?
by Alex888 m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59416422#post59416422)
Hello,Winning 1/2 - 2/5 player here (except on coin)Does anyone that plays on coin plo5/plo6 feels weird about the games compared to other rooms?Always new nicknames popping up, some players who seem super ******ed sitting on big stacks on every table making weird moves and winning.The field in general seems like they bluffcatch way wider and bluff way more than other rooms.New... See full post
Welcome in, but no, i personally never noticed anything like that. Weird players sure, but nothing that seems so... organized?
Prove me there is no collusion Rockjames playing like reg then flats thrash hand with his friend, Ninja123 new nickname crushing winrate, opening super thrash hands and flopping nuts with them. All these new nicknames play super weird thrash hands and sitting on 400bb stacks on all tables, same thing sorphorn (which disappeared) How long before these collusion rings get busted and honest players can play? These guys are sharing 10-15 cards Isn’t playing super aggro, out of line thrash hands and having 20bb winrate not a red flag for the integrity team?
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Send all the usernames to [email]support@coinpoker.com[/email] or the direct security email - [email]security@coinpoker.com[/email] - and they'll investigate right away, and tag our ambassadors on X they're the experts in that - I've seen Pads / Mario often escalate player concerns of this nature.
by Alex888 m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59417125#post59417125)
Prove me there is no collusionRockjames playing like reg then flats thrash hand with his friend, Ninja123 new nickname crushing winrate, opening super thrash hands and flopping nuts with them.All these new nicknames play super weird thrash hands and sitting on 400bb stacks on all tables, same thing sorphorn (which disappeared)How long before these collusion rings get busted and... See full post
Your own screenshot refutes the squeeze. PtePoker was not pushed out of that pot. He was priced in and folded anyway. He started with 39.01BB and had 13.6 in preflop, leaving 25.41 behind. On the flop the pot was 145.30 when it got back to him. His call would have been an all-in for 25.41, getting better than 3.5:1 on the main pot — roughly 22% equity needed. On A-5-6, holding a hand he three-bet preflop, any ace, any pair with a draw, or any wheel card clears that. He folded. That is a hand with no equity, not a hand squeezed out. Now the part that kills the pattern outright: After PtePoker folded, Ninja123 put another 20.98BB into his alleged partner. In a squeeze-out, the dead money is won the moment the third player folds. The partner folds, the other takes it down, the transfer is clean and one-way. These two instead stacked off against each other for 76BB apiece to split 13.76BB taken off an outsider — and paid rake on a 166BB pot to do it. The hands, since they are face up in your own image: Flop A♥5♥6♦
Arent allowed to post in the official thread because I havent played there for 8 months which prohibits me from pointing out wrongdoings but every change is more sickening... by Coin_poker m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59418061#post59418061)
Not every pre-flop pot will be raked, but yes when the pot meets a defined action and size threshold it will be. The updated structure is designed to account for pots where significant action has already taken place before the flop and to support a more balanced cash-game ecosystem. Emails have gone out to players affected by the various changes and the website has been updated... See full post
Preflop rake added CoinPoker... for the players LOLOLOLOLOLOL
So, I live in Florida. I’ve asked coin poker through messenger if I could play and withdraw money from their site despite being from a restricted place. They said yes. Anyone from America play on coin poker and is there any difficulty with getting on? Will the site geo-block due to location? Before I put money on there I wanted to get other players experiences that play on there.
Seeing all the negative comments in here actually sickens me a bit, it just gives the whole room a bad rep for no reason... Been on Coin and grinding the platform for a solid couple years now, so figured I’d throw in my two cents on the whole CoinPoker thing. Have you seen how many CoinMillion tickets they just hand out ?? alott, it’s not only the paid influencers getting them, regulars and casuals pull them all the time. The One was a perfect example of that. Gave a bunch of randoms a real shot at six figures and the final table was stacked with guys who’d never even won a tournament before. Like 10 people in the final 50 or so were just satty qualifiers who somehow ran it up. That **** doesn’t happen on most sites. Anyway, just my experience. You guys must be paid actors from GG &ACR for SUUUUUREEEE
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You can never satisfy the poker community is what i've gathered so far. there is always something to nitpick on LOL , i have been playing on coinpoker for a good amount, they have made alot of changes during the years, listened to what people wanted. but its never good enough for you is it ? xD they hosted THE ONE giving away millions in just tickets to regulars , i my self got a ticket randomly , gave me a shot on a tournament that i would have never be able to play with my own money. give the room a chance and let it improve , not everything is gonna be perfect obviously
by ExMoroccan m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420004#post59420004)
You can never satisfy the poker community is what i've gathered so far. there is always something to nitpick on LOL , i have been playing on coinpoker for a good amount, they have made alot of changes during the years, listened to what people wanted. but its never good enough for you is it ? xDthey hosted THE ONE giving away millions in just tickets to regulars , i my self got ... See full post
what on gods green earth are you talking about, so many things wrong with your post. Firstly your the typical new account probably affiliated with coin somehow. Give them a chance to improve?? They were perfect before, when they consistently increase rake, privatised high stakes games similar to gg how is that improving. Its just a money grab scheme employed them, they wanted this perception that they care for the players when running a rake free month promotion. Only to screw every single player months later on the site.
by aramseyy m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420008#post59420008)
what on gods green earth are you talking about, so many things wrong with your post. Firstly your the typical new account probably affiliated with coin somehow. Give them a chance to improve?? They were perfect before, when they consistently increase rake, privatised high stakes games similar to gg how is that improving. Its just a money grab scheme employed them, they wanted t... See full post
i just found out about this forum not a while ago i was lurking without an account, i am a cardschat Loyaler platinium member for more than 10 years you can check yourself. I think people are being a bit too quick to assume the worst here. If the rake increase is the issue, then let's discuss the numbers and whether the value players get in return is fair. That's a legitimate criticism. have you seen how much bonuses they have been giving ? the free tickets to big events weekly ? But saying the whole thing was just a scheme to make players believe the site cared about them is a pretty big accusation. I'm not saying the site should be above criticism, but I don't think one unpopular decision automatically makes everything they've done before it fake. Give them the chance to explain themselves, and judge them on that.
by ExMoroccan m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59419988#post59419988)
Seeing all the negative comments in here actually sickens me a bit, it just gives the whole room a bad rep for no reason...Been on Coin and grinding the platform for a solid couple years now, so figured I’d throw in my two cents on the whole CoinPoker thing. Have you seen how many CoinMillion tickets they just hand out ?? alott, it’s not only the paid influencers getting them,... See full post
My man, coinpoker is really generous to the best of my knowledge. I'm participating in the Coinmillion today with a free ticket. This would be the second free ticket to the Coinmillion I'd have received. I can't recall any platform willing to do the same. They're just different.
You like preflop and 18bb/100 rake? OK you do you. But whats up with all these brand new account who immediately dedicate most of their first posts trying to justify changes that obviously go straight against what CoinPoker supposedly stand for? Now I've been called a shill for saying I dont believe the RNG is rigged but the behaviour of these accounts is so weird that I might call them shills. They all are (by own admission) long time lurkers. Then preflop rake is introduced among other changes that are hurtful to players. They also werent announced which isnt transparent like CoinPoker aspires... And exactly at that point all these long time lurkers, who never felt the need to post anything, suddenly all feel a strong need to defend rake increases because they give out a bloody tournament ticket. And not even just in one thread, but in multiple ones. Is this part of the guerilla marketing strategy CoinPoker does online? Because if so, this one isnt fooling anyone. Edit: LOL just as I post another new 5-post account created today felt the need to suggest a couple of series in the TV thread and of course to praise CoinPoker for being so generous. What are the odds???
by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59418099#post59418099)
Arent allowed to post in the official thread because I havent played there for 8 months which prohibits me from pointing out wrongdoings but every change is more sickening... Preflop rake added CoinPoker... for the players LOLOLOLOLOLOL
what's up with all the accounts that don't even play there trashing the site??? this thread seems to have been started by someone who doesn't play there and stopped posting now, prob paid by another site
by ExMoroccan m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420027#post59420027)
i just found out about this forum not a while ago i was lurking without an account, i am a cardschat Loyaler platinium member for more than 10 years you can check yourself.I think people are being a bit too quick to assume the worst here. If the rake increase is the issue, then let's discuss the numbers and whether the value players get in return is fair. That's a legitimate cr... See full post
if every single 6max player is losing money after RB, is it a scheme?
by BigBananas m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420060#post59420060)
if every single 6max player is losing money after RB, is it a scheme?
This is A classic LOL What about every single player that won money after RB ?
by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420048#post59420048)
You like preflop and 18bb/100 rake? OK you do you.But whats up with all these brand new account who immediately dedicate most of their first posts trying to justify changes that obviously go straight against what CoinPoker supposedly stand for? Now I've been called a shill for saying I dont believe the RNG is rigged but the behaviour of these accounts is so weird that I might c... See full post
im very interested how is ur mentality cause this is very concerning, im a cardschat member for 10 years, just found out about this forum, so by ur logic , no new members allowed on this forum ? LOL
by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420048#post59420048)
You like preflop and 18bb/100 rake? OK you do you.But whats up with all these brand new account who immediately dedicate most of their first posts trying to justify changes that obviously go straight against what CoinPoker supposedly stand for? Now I've been called a shill for saying I dont believe the RNG is rigged but the behaviour of these accounts is so weird that I might c... See full post
i also would like point out since i have see couple of your threads about other poker rooms , you sound very knowledgeable about everything these guys are doing wrong, why dont you stand up and make the perfect poker room ? jeeez
by ExMoroccan m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420065#post59420065)
This is A classic LOL What about every single player that won money after RB ?
there is none.
by ExMoroccan m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420027#post59420027)
i just found out about this forum not a while ago i was lurking without an account, i am a cardschat Loyaler platinium member for more than 10 years you can check yourself.I think people are being a bit too quick to assume the worst here. If the rake increase is the issue, then let's discuss the numbers and whether the value players get in return is fair. That's a legitimate cr... See full post
You are no loyaler on cardschat lol and that status means basically nothing as a big part of them are massive spammers. I would quit this discussion if i were you. Those guys u are arguing with understand what is going on there and they dont play because of some free tickets and bonuses.
by ExMoroccan m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420065#post59420065)
This is A classic LOL What about every single player that won money after RB ?
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Who is winning, with this rake, besides Coin? This also doesn't even take into account the pre flop 3 bet rake. There were very few winners before, on the old platform, with the old rake.
by ExMoroccan m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420078#post59420078)
i also would like point out since i have see couple of your threads about other poker rooms , you sound very knowledgeable about everything these guys are doing wrong, why dont you stand up and make the perfect poker room ? jeeez
yea these arguments are ******ed. other weird account in the main thread posted this yesterday If I saw a tv on Amazon and it was £200 and another provider offered it for £159 I'd just buy it and that would be the end of it What I can't understand is engaging on a forum about a site that has gone from strength to strength lately on the basis of "I don't like what they are doing" with complete free will not to play there and the lack of self awareness to think that I as one individual pissing against the wind would ever change anything
like, just let coinpoker scam people. if you dont like it open ur own scamsite or play somewhere else. ******ed.
A rake increase on certain play is NOT a scam and your terminology needs changing there . It's a commercial decision that doesn't suit you and that's fine - the door is open both ways and you could use it and your time in better ways
by 7DeuceNeverLose m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420255#post59420255)
A rake increase on certain play is NOT a scam and your terminology needs changing there . It's a commercial decision that doesn't suit you and that's fine - the door is open both ways and you could use it and your time in better ways
yea they made a commercial decision to scam there customers. arguing over terms/definitions is ******ed. the fact is that the sixmax games on coinpoker...everyone loses after RB now. you seem ok with this because you got a $100 donkament ticket.
Again there you go with "scam their customers" Cry harder bananas that's not a scam in anyone's language - you just want someone to start a business , take all the liabilities and risk of that business and provide you with some reg grinder utopia . It's not happening nor has it ever . and if I'm wrong then you have this site somewhere that services your needs and you should be on it 24/7
by 7DeuceNeverLose m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420378#post59420378)
Again there you go with "scam their customers" Cry harder bananas that's not a scam in anyone's language - you just want someone to start a business , take all the liabilities and risk of that business and provide you with some reg grinder utopia . It's not happening nor has it ever . and if I'm wrong then you have this site somewhere that services your needs and you should be ... See full post
If you find scam so offensive here is some other language you could use to now describe coinpoker: Rake extraction machine — the site exists primarily to extract money from its players. Predatory poker site — it exploits players by charging excessive fees that undermine their ability to profit. A rigged economic ecosystem — not necessarily rigged cards, but an economic structure designed so the house wins regardless of who wins at the tables. A negative-sum game — the most mathematically accurate term. Poker is already negative-sum after rake, but excessive rake can make it so punishing that even highly skilled players struggle to overcome it. A rake farm — the site farms its player base for fees rather than sustaining a healthy poker economy. A wealth-extraction scheme — a more political or economic description of a platform that extracts value from its users without giving them a realistic opportunity to retain profits. A player-hostile business model — a straightforward, professional description. A casino disguised as a poker room — a particularly cutting way to describe a site where the rake, rather than the competition, becomes the dominant force. Hope that helps
lol u got nothing, just wanna argue over terms/definitions. wont comment anything on the fact that noone wins after RB though. Blackjack is a scam Baccara is a scam Poker w monster rake is a scam you just want someone to start a business , take all the liabilities and risk of that business and provide you with some reg grinder utopia .
where did i ever say anything like this at all? been playing online since 2004. Paid probably over 1mm USD in rake lifetime. complete nonsense. Cry harder bananas that's not a scam in anyone's language
nah, disagree with this. lots of pokerplayers in agreeance with me. Coinpoker is now just a predatory scam site. Action of coinpoker has died down a little bit today/yesterday also.
You are the pro sports bettors of the poker ecosystem - you may well know the game , be good at it and been around forever - but you get limited out and shown the door - and it may not be pretty , it may not in your eyes be fair - BUT it is the way it's gonna be . there a low rake rooms everywhere so go find action on them - it's not there . The game moved on and like I tried to warn you be grateful for small mercies .this world owes you nothing - adapt or die
lmao now this goobers giving me a pep talk. breh who are these morons
by 7DeuceNeverLose m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420424#post59420424)
You are the pro sports bettors of the poker ecosystem - you may well know the game , be good at it and been around forever - but you get limited out and shown the door - and it may not be pretty , it may not in your eyes be fair - BUT it is the way it's gonna be . there a low rake rooms everywhere so go find action on them - it's not there . The game moved on and like I tried t... See full post
Be grateful for what now?
Because of interactions on this forum a guy got $500 the other day , I think that's something to be grateful for
by Sammiekush m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420046#post59420046)
My man, coinpoker is really generous to the best of my knowledge. I'm participating in the Coinmillion today with a free ticket. This would be the second free ticket to the Coinmillion I'd have received. I can't recall any platform willing to do the same. They're just different.
How did it go? I played and it was going well for a few hours, even ranked among the top 50 for a while, but then i started taking risks and things went to hell lol
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eyy banana boi , the only one who is in agreeance with you is some stupid idiotic 69 yo poker player who still thinks only played by the mob an stuff are rigged gtfo
by ExMoroccan m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420761#post59420761)
eyy banana boi , the only one who is in agreeance with you is some stupid idiotic 69 yo poker player who still thinks only played by the mob an stuff are rigged gtfo
Brehhh wtf u on about? Go into the main thread and just read all the comments. Most people agree w me. Hope u did well in the donkament bro.
by BigBananas m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420774#post59420774)
Brehhh wtf u on about? Go into the main thread and just read all the comments. Most people agree w me. Hope u did well in the donkament bro.
how long have you been in the poker scene banana boi ? almost everyone in this community whines and cries about literally everything , they love to criticize everything a poker room does. so if you see someone agreeing with you , its just another loser who cant win in poker thinking he getting scammed , classic gambler mentality
by ExMoroccan m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420783#post59420783)
how long have you been in the poker scene banana boi ? almost everyone in this community whines and cries about literally everything , they love to criticize everything a poker room does. so if you see someone agreeing with you , its just another loser who cant win in poker thinking he getting scammed , classic gambler mentality
Too long sadly. 20+ years. Dont think you know what ur talking about man.
by Helllsreal m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420121#post59420121)
You are no loyaler on cardschat lol and that status means basically nothing as a big part of them are massive spammers. I would quit this discussion if i were you. Those guys u are arguing with understand what is going on there and they dont play because of some free tickets and bonuses.
another classic , brother these guys that "understand and know" is the same people that keep crying about literally everything, they never satisfied. Just play live poker if you so triggered about a poker room running a business. Funny how you want to play online poker for free. make ur own room then
by BigBananas m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420790#post59420790)
Too long sadly. 20+ years. Dont think you know what ur talking about man.
+20 years and still dont get how the poker community operate ? come on banana boi
Just such a weird take. Apparently i go around the forums just complaining 247. When some site creates unbeatable games we are not allowed to have an opinion or talk about it on a poker site discussion board. Just let them run there unbeatable games. If you dont like it then shutup and make ur own site with unbeatable games. Lmao tf is this. Exmorocco are u ok with every 6max player on coin being -ev after RB?
Oh yea dude thanks for teaching me. Everyone just whines and cries 247 for no reason. Lmao what a ******.
by ExMoroccan m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420791#post59420791)
another classic , brother these guys that "understand and know" is the same people that keep crying about literally everything, they never satisfied. Just play live poker if you so triggered about a poker room running a business. Funny how you want to play online poker for free. make ur own room then
Any real business understands the damage one pissed-off customer can do when they genuinely feel they've been screwed over, especially when that customer decides to make it their mission to share their experience. Yet somehow, you've chosen to piss off an entire loyal community by turning the site into a rake farm. And it's not like you're dealing with a community of broke people who expect everything for free. These are customers who are willing to spend money, generate action and support your business, provided they feel they're getting a fair deal in return. The irony is that with AI and the tools available today, it costs very little for pissed off customers to create content, explain what's happening, share the numbers and spread their experiences across forums and social media, and thats without even spending any money. One person can make a lot of noise, but when an entire community feels exploited, that becomes a much bigger problem. You can run a profitable business without treating your loyal customers like an endless source of rake. But once you destroy their trust, you can't simply expect them to stay quiet, keep playing and carry on as usual. Reputation takes years to build and can be damaged remarkably quickly. The real question isn't whether a poker site has the right to make money. It's whether management is so short-sighted that it's willing to sacrifice the goodwill of its entire player base for more rake in the short term.
by adoyal m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420799#post59420799)
Any real business understands the damage one pissed-off customer can do when they genuinely feel they've been screwed over, especially when that customer decides to make it their mission to share their experience. Yet somehow, you've chosen to piss off an entire loyal community by turning the site into a rake farm.And it's not like you're dealing with a community of broke peopl... See full post
If you think the rake is too high,thats ur opinion, fair enough, But acting like a business making money is some kind of scandal is a bit ridiculous. No one is forced to play there, and players can decide for themselves whether the games are worth it. Criticism is fair, but let's keep it factual instead of acting like the whole community is being robbed. at the end of the day its player vs player and the house takes % for being the middle man.
by BigBananas m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420798#post59420798)
Oh yea dude thanks for teaching me. Everyone just whines and cries 247 for no reason. Lmao what a ******.
i see how it is banana boi , midlife crisis i understand you ma boi
by ExMoroccan m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420791#post59420791)
another classic , brother these guys that "understand and know" is the same people that keep crying about literally everything, they never satisfied. Just play live poker if you so triggered about a poker room running a business. Funny how you want to play online poker for free. make ur own room then
Clearly you are triggered by any negative view that you feel the need to respond and therefore amplify the problem you are trying to eliminate. Again where were these voices when the author of the other thread and his/her two sidekicks mounted their campaign of hate?
Criticism is fair, but let's keep it factual instead of acting like the whole community is being robbed.
Whats been said thats not factual?
by ExMoroccan m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420054#post59420054)
what's up with all the accounts that don't even play there trashing the site??? prob paid by another site
I played over 300k hands on Coin but quit because the direction it was going in was awful and completely different than their statement of more transparency and bringing the game back to their players. But then again, ACR pays me big bucks to point this out, obviously. by ExMoroccan m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420070#post59420070)
im a cardschat member for 10 years, just found out about this forum, so by ur logic , no new members allowed on this forum ? LOL
Well first of all...
by Helllsreal m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420121#post59420121)
You are no loyaler on cardschat lol and that status means basically nothing as a big part of them are massive spammers. I would quit this discussion if i were you. Those guys u are arguing with understand what is going on there and they dont play because of some free tickets and bonuses.
And secondly, I never said new members arent allowed to post on these forums. But in the 16 years I have been on these forums never have I seen that a group of newcomers all feel such a stronge desire to defend a site, just at the moment they decided to increase rake and implement preflop rake and get the expected backlash for it. They go from never have been on 2+2 to suddenly being completely focused on 2 threads (coincidentally both about coinpoker) to shame anyone who speaks bad about current coinpoker developments because they once got a free ticket. Furthermore they dont seem to know exactly what coin gives away and they are oh so impressed with those gifts (that they have paid those gifts tenfold by paying enormous rake seems to escape their mind though). Its just all so see-through, and to suggest that players being mad about the by far highest rake in online poker are being paid by other sites while you and the lot so obviously have an interest in coin is just ridiculous. I've seen 5 year olds come up with more convincing lies.
im pretty sure a bunch of acr's budget goes to this more than actually improving they're UI that looks like mid 90s website Acr cant even hold an avg of 5k players and they are lunched in 2001. mind you Coin lunched in 2018 and just recently made huge changes to the software and they are holding avg of 7k players and up to 28k in the weekends. let that simmer but hey im just a regular poker player who just likes a good simple clean ui and bunch of game modes.
by ExMoroccan m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420802#post59420802)
If you think the rake is too high,thats ur opinion, fair enough, But acting like a business making money is some kind of scandal is a bit ridiculous. No one is forced to play there, and players can decide for themselves whether the games are worth it. Criticism is fair, but let's keep it factual instead of acting like the whole community is being robbed.at the end of the day it... See full post
yes and that % is way too ****ing high and we’re calling them out on it
by ExMoroccan m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420825#post59420825)
im pretty sure a bunch of acr's budget goes to this more than actually improving they're UI that looks like mid 90s websiteAcr cant even hold an avg of 5k players and they are lunched in 2001. mind you Coin lunched in 2018 and just recently made huge changes to the software and they are holding avg of 7k players and up to 28k in the weekends. let that simmerbut hey im just a re... See full post
Yea and you also like paying 18bb/100 rake so what do you know And you disliking ACR just means you are paid by Coin to badmouth them, obviously but hey, you are just a brand new account suddenly hovering the 2 coinpoker threads to quickly reply to everyone who has a valid criticism of the coinpoker changes. The only people gullible to believe this are the people who think paying 18bb/100 in rake is great if they dish out a free tournament once in a while
by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420830#post59420830)
Yea and you also like paying 18bb/100 rake so what do you knowAnd you disliking ACR just means you are paid by Coin to badmouth them, obviouslybut hey, you are just a brand new account suddenly hovering the 2 coinpoker threads to quickly reply to everyone who has a valid criticism of the coinpoker changes.The only people gullible to believe this are the people who think paying ... See full post
badmouth who ? what ? i only see people badmouthing coin in here. so ur argument is me having a new account ? you can easly look up my account on CC and see how old is it and see all my threads about GG & wpt & acr So me jumping on a thread as someone who plays on coin and have a good experience is "paid" but literally pages of people here badmouthing Coin are legit players who love poker? rightttttttt
by ExMoroccan m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420839#post59420839)
badmouth who ? what ? i only see people badmouthing coin in here.so ur argument is me having a new account ? you can easly look up my account on CC and see how old is it and see all my threads about GG & wpt & acrSo me jumping on a thread as someone who plays on coin and have a good experience is "paid" but literally pages of people here badmouthing Coin are legit players who l... See full post
dude you play freerolls and sats into small buy in tourneys, you’re a recreational player who doesn’t make money playing poker, of course you don’t give a crap about any increase in rake
by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420830#post59420830)
Yea and you also like paying 18bb/100 rake so what do you knowAnd you disliking ACR just means you are paid by Coin to badmouth them, obviouslybut hey, you are just a brand new account suddenly hovering the 2 coinpoker threads to quickly reply to everyone who has a valid criticism of the coinpoker changes.The only people gullible to believe this are the people who think paying ... See full post
The funny thing is he isnt a paid shill. I know him from cardschat which is is basically a freeroller forum. What happened is that coin gave him some free tickets on social media and now he feels the need to jump in for them. He doesn't get that this is not cardschat here where people are mainly after free stuff and given what i have read and seen from him i would be very surprised if he understands rake structures etc.
hahahahah **** is comical. we're arguing with a moran
by mikeparker m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420724#post59420724)
How did it go? I played and it was going well for a few hours, even ranked among the top 50 for a while, but then i started taking risks and things went to hell lol
I went down 30K chips rose up to 100k then doubled my chips only to be busted by someone twice and that was the end of my run. But later that night I played another tournament and came second so I'm not soo pained, lol
Yesterday, I played my second Coinmillion for free. Happy for the opportunity from Coinpoker. I'm almost certain I'll get another ticket for next week's Coinmillion along with many other players and that's just cause I know the poker brand to be very generous. Playing and winning on Coinpoker is fun
by Helllsreal m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420842#post59420842)
The funny thing is he isnt a paid shill. I know him from cardschat which is is basically a freeroller forum. What happened is that coin gave him some free tickets on social media and now he feels the need to jump in for them.He doesn't get that this is not cardschat here where people are mainly after free stuff and given what i have read and seen from him i would be very surpri... See full post
that is exactly my point , Coin giving out tickets like crazy and giving shots to people from satties, overlayed MTTS . ur rake bullshit doesnt even interest me. shoutout to cardschat actually trying to make players at least build bankroll from scratch. Do you think every poker player plays Cash games you moron ? hey banana boi, im still waiting for you to create the perfect room so i can play "rake free" and see how you do financially xD
by Sammiekush m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420846#post59420846)
Yesterday, I played my second Coinmillion for free. Happy for the opportunity from Coinpoker. I'm almost certain I'll get another ticket for next week's Coinmillion along with many other players and that's just cause I know the poker brand to be very generous. Playing and winning on Coinpoker is fun
i also got a ticket for free being active on there social media and winning giveaway. that gave me a shot to a buy in i would have never tried if not for them actually giving people shots. Alot of people cashed good on the yesterdays coinmillion. from satellites. a friend of mine micro streamer actually made nice cash he was so happy i was there the whole time.
lmao im dying this is the guy that votes for political party coz they gave him 300 dollars xD we're doomed
by BigBananas m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420855#post59420855)
lmao im dying this is the guy that votes for political party coz they gave him 300 dollars xD we're doomed
i am the guy that wins money on coinpoker thats why im actually defending them from y'all losers, i am no high stakes guy but i am winning. so you saying everyone is losing is just lies. also its gambling why are you surprised if you lose sometimes ? Banana boi on his late 40s and still typing "xD" xD
yeah I mean arguing with a dude farming tickets on social media and playing freerolls lol, he’s just a mega rec kind of a pointless discussion
by Xenoblade m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420868#post59420868)
yeah I mean arguing with a dude farming tickets on social media and playing freerolls lol, he’s just a mega rec kind of a pointless discussion
Spoiling for a fight, **** obvious at this point but whatever floats their boat I guess. Pity they weren't so vocal when it mattered though, the OP would have shat themselves with the authority of these guys.🙄
by ExMoroccan m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420863#post59420863)
i am the guy that wins money on coinpoker thats why im actually defending them from y'all losers, i am no high stakes guy but i am winning. so you saying everyone is losing is just lies. also its gambling why are you surprised if you lose sometimes ? Banana boi on his late 40s and still typing "xD" xD
late 30s bro. so how much u winning in these donkaments dude? hahhahaha
by BigBananas m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420875#post59420875)
late 30s bro. so how much u winning in these donkaments dude? hahhahaha
clearly more than you LOL
by ExMoroccan m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420802#post59420802)
If you think the rake is too high,thats ur opinion, fair enough,
It's not an opinion, it is an objective fact. They have the highest rake in the industry, by far. They have slashed the rewards system they promised would make up the difference. GG had the highest rake in the industry, but Coin is now blowing them out of the water, without the weak player pool GG has. GG has own warts, but the fact that Coin is making them look good is just downright shocking. This is for 200nl, which I consider the lowest stakes for someone to be a pro in most developed countries.
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what are the settings you put on the site to give you that much rake cause when i go see it just give me this, also not my point.
not everyone is playing cash games buddy.
U are really making an ape out of urself here CurrentMoron lmao. U should have stayed on CC with that stuff. And honestly how u play in those freerolls makes it very very difficult to imagine u are winning in normal mtts.
by ExMoroccan m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420910#post59420910)
what are the settings you put on the site to give you that much rake cause when i go see it just give me this, also not my point.not everyone is playing cash games buddy.... See full post
200nl. You realize they raised rake on MTT players and don't give them any rake back, right?
by MicroDonkYT m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420921#post59420921)
200nl. You realize they raised rake on MTT players and don't give them any rake back, right?
No he doesnt. "They gave me feee tickets Bro!"
by Helllsreal m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420842#post59420842)
The funny thing is he isnt a paid shill. I know him from cardschat which is is basically a freeroller forum. What happened is that coin gave him some free tickets on social media and now he feels the need to jump in for them.He doesn't get that this is not cardschat here where people are mainly after free stuff and given what i have read and seen from him i would be very surpri... See full post
Hahahaha thats just hilarious He is not trying his hardest to beat the allegations though :p Just stick to the recreationals forum if you're a clown who needs free giveaways to make a buck or two hahahah But his account certainly wasnt the only one, there are quite a few brand new accounts with an urge to defend these new changes at all costs. Perhaps they were all bribed with some free tickets as well. It would fit right in with their current online marketing strategy in which 2+2 is doing its part as well of course. I do hope they got more than a tournament ticket though. by ExMoroccan m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420849#post59420849)
that is exactly my point , Coin giving out tickets like crazy and giving shots to people from satties, overlayed MTTS . ur rake bullshit doesnt even interest me.
Ever wondered how they pay for the tickets they give away? Is it perhaps with the rake they earn? And you do think a site that, without any transparency or message, increased their rake drastically will leave tournament fees alone?? No, their rake has increased as well without any RB. So your precious $1+0.20 tournament might becomes a $1+0.50 tournament which you cant beat anymore. Then its back to begging for tickets on social media and forums again.
lmao bros he don't care about none of this stuff. just some 80 IQ mouth breather
by Slugant m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420926#post59420926)
Hahahaha thats just hilariousHe is not trying his hardest to beat the allegations though :pJust stick to the recreationals forum if you're a clown who needs free giveaways to make a buck or two hahahahBut his account certainly wasnt the only one, there are quite a few brand new accounts with an urge to defend these new changes at all costs. Perhaps they were all bribed with som... See full post
This is absolutely part of their marketing strategies. They were even going on gambling anonymous type websites to advertise. The coin rep on here has done the same thing with is alt account, jspill. These might all be him.
by MicroDonkYT m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420956#post59420956)
This is absolutely part of their marketing strategies. They were even going on gambling anonymous type websites to advertise. The coin rep on here has done the same thing with is alt account, jspill. These might all be him.
there's 15424 people on the discord, obviously some of us are gonna come to 2+2 where it's mainly negative anyway, who's to say you and everyone else moaning aren't a shill for other sites as you haven't posted your coin username ? right do you even play there. in your posting history you've done clickbait threads attacking coinpoker. so who's to say you aren't just a shill for other sites, all you do here is moan nonstop and if you play micros, coin is rly good for microstakes rewards and quite soft
by BigBananas m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420938#post59420938)
lmao bros he don't care about none of this stuff. just some 80 IQ mouth breather
banana boi add me on discord exmoroccan77 lets take an IQ test together habibi. if you have better IQ than me, i kill myself LOL
by ExMoroccan m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59421037#post59421037)
there's 15424 people on the discord, obviously some of us are gonna come to 2+2 where it's mainly negative anyway, who's to say you and everyone else moaning aren't a shill for other sites as you haven't posted your coin username ? right do you even play there. in your posting history you've done clickbait threads attacking coinpoker. so who's to say you aren't just a shill for... See full post
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did you catch me? I was hired by GG to trash Coin Poker.
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drop this guy a message that he's on a "scam site nobody can win on"
Or maybe HU at those stakes is the only way to win . in which case some of you have been "playing 20 years and paid 1million in rake" . so adapt
sixmax is the game nobody can win at on coin. said it multiple times already not sure why its so hard for you to understand. I still play on coin btw, played there last 3 days. nice dig tho. Are you another MTT freeroll ******? you seem really stupid.
Oh no I heard you fine . just don't know why if HU is beatable like this guy seems to be able to you don't adapt Why you choosing the wrong game And none of that gets us past the labelling of calling it a "scam site that nobody can win on" or worse the fact you're still there .. Baffling
by 7DeuceNeverLose m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59421188#post59421188)
Oh no I heard you fine . just don't know why if HU is beatable like this guy seems to be able to you don't adapt Why you choosing the wrong game And none of that gets us past the labelling of calling it a "scam site that nobody can win on" or worse the fact you're still there .. Baffling
I said i played on there today. I played hu there today. I would never play 6max on coin. Seriously ******ed bro. R u an mtt freeroll ****** who doesnt give a **** about rake like morocco?
Ah good So the site has games that you can win money on and games you can't . according to you yes So how would that ever be a scam or a site nobody can win on That's like a sportsbook that has tight lines on tennis but loose on NFL and pro bettors crying like a baby they want to bet tennis and win and the whole things a scam if they aren't accommodated - do you seriously understand how stupid and childish you sound You know since the start of time there have been certain games/stakes that were very hard to beat - and maybe that's expanded maybe not but by your own admission (and play these last few days I'd assume) you still have a site in coin where you can win money correct
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^What do stakes and games that are hard or barely beatable to do with games that are simply unbeatable because of rake? Are there any sane persons here who defend coin and their greedy moves? Haven't seen any so far, only total droolers.
Everything as per my last post Would you swerve a casino that had some slots set to 70% RTP but had a section of 120% RTP ones Are you that ****ing dense that that argument doesn't make sense to you Choose the games you can beat and pass on the others you bunch of cry babies
There's plenty of fish on there , it's your "job" to find them - the way I'm playing at the moment (HU) that kid in the picture could take me apart . so the chances are there you just seem to want spoon fed and your underpants warmed on the radiator for you before you put them on
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Why don't you show us you last 3 days p+l bananas Are you making money and still crying about the site
So how would that ever be a scam or a site nobody can win on
Ive answered this question before. why do you keep asking it? Noone in the sixmax games on coin is +EV. HU games can still be +EV with table selection. reg battling you need to be really careful. You don't like the terminology that i use, when i say that coin is a predatory scam site that runs scam games. idgaf gfy. there rake is so much higher than industry standard in terms of bb/100. as far as claiming everyone is crying like babys. its an internet discussion board about online poker sites. wtf were u expecting after coin raised rakes and added a pf rake? also i never once played a sixmax hand on coinpoker. I just call it as i see it with coinpoker. When they had the March RakeFree promotion i praised them. the months after this, i also praised them in the main thread. I don't see what the big deal is. You are really stupid. by 7DeuceNeverLose m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59421274#post59421274)
Why don't you show us you last 3 days p+l bananas Are you making money and still crying about the site
think im + like 300 dollars including the rewards. Not sure why it matters?
by BigBananas m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59421294#post59421294)
by 7DeuceNeverLose m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59421274#post59421274)
Why don't you show us you last 3 days p+l bananas Are you making money and still crying about the site
think im + like 300 dollars including the rewards. Not sure why it matters
Here there's the end of discussion - the site you call a scam/predatory etc your able to go on and make money "but it's hard/you got to be careful" - entitled cry babies . have a nice night
what a ******.
by Helllsreal m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59421255#post59421255)
Are there any sane persons here who defend coin and their greedy moves? Haven't seen any so far, only total droolers.
Only brand new accounts that either were so happy to receive a tournament ticket they defend insane rake increases against any logic. Or, and posting wise this seems quite on the money, they are accounts that go from non-existing to posting 5 times in one hour about how amazing coinpoker is and claim everybody who doesnt agree is a crybaby and a shill for a different site. Place your bets now :p Nice to see they are taking shift though lolol Moroccon was this afternoon, 7deuce was just now, so sammy might step in any minute to give them a hand Edit: LOLOLOL I was even more right than I thought, man its so predictable :p by ExMoroccan m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59421037#post59421037)
in your posting history you've done clickbait threads attacking coinpoker. so who's to say you aren't just a shill for other sites
Yup, who's to say. Is somebody posting about unbeatable rake structures a shill for other sites or is the guy defending those rake structures a shill... who's to say Good to see that these absolute newcomers to the forum immediately delve into posters history 🙂 Btw, the person you are referring to has made 1 thread about coinpoker where all 200nl high volume players had very bad lossrates pre-rb and this before the latest rake increases and addition of preflop rake. And if a player manages to beat those insane rakes, they dont get the missions anymore, because they are now only for "rough patch players" So things just turned from bad to worse.... for the players of course! by ExMoroccan m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59421041#post59421041)
banana boi add me on discord exmoroccan77 lets take an IQ test together habibi. if you have better IQ than me, i kill myself LOL
soon to be ExExMoroccan 😃
by ExMoroccan m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420851#post59420851)
i also got a ticket for free being active on there social media and winning giveaway. that gave me a shot to a buy in i would have never tried if not for them actually giving people shots. Alot of people cashed good on the yesterdays coinmillion. from satellites. a friend of mine micro streamer actually made nice cash he was so happy i was there the whole time.
Yea bro, a lot... I'm making that list next Sunday. #PositiveMindset. Lfg man
(https://twoplustwo-media.t3.storage.dev/N7daerP-e62248403cfe49da82f2db52c61257eb.jfif?width=1598&height=1490) wonder how many ppl winning after RB here now that we have rake increase + preflop rake? don't talk about it too much tho, just ignore it. go play somewhere else. go play another game.
by 7DeuceNeverLose m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59421188#post59421188)
Oh no I heard you fine . just don't know why if HU is beatable like this guy seems to be able to you don't adapt Why you choosing the wrong game And none of that gets us past the labelling of calling it a "scam site that nobody can win on" or worse the fact you're still there .. Baffling
it's because edges are smaller in 6 max naturally, ranges are tighter, less opportunities to make a significant mistake, and also usually 5 regs are splitting a recreational player negative winrate I played coinpoker in may and won ~15k playing mainly 2/5 and I'm under no illusion, I've seen the numbers, I assume I just ran very hot and just exited when I saw yet another rake increase/rakeback decrease
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2026... (https://www.theguardian.com/society/2026/oct/19/revealed-britons-using-an-african-islands-name-to-aid-underground-gambling) threw the article into chatgpt with the question: "is this the license Coinpoker claims to use?" It responds with a lengthy answer starting with: "Yes — CoinPoker claims to use the same Anjouan gaming licence regime discussed in that Guardian investigation. And the article raises a legitimate question about how much confidence players should place in that licence." As I said in the main thread: ruh roh!
by BigBananas m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59421306#post59421306)
what a ******.
You're not against predatory games. You're just pissed that the house maybe made the games you like harder to beat. Poker has always been predators (strong regulars) taking money from recreational players. You're one of the predators. You've said yourself you still play on the site, you can still make money heads-up with table selection, and you've even praised the place before when the promotions suited you. So when you call the whole site a "predatory scam that nobody can win on," what you're really saying is: "6-max used to be easier for predators and now the rake is high enough that it's not. Therefore the entire site is illegitimate." That's not a principled stand. That's just a regular who's used to printing and doesn't like having to work harder or switch games. Plenty of people are still happy to play here. Some are winning. You're still playing and still up. The difference is they adapt and you post essays about how the site is a scam while continuing to use it. Own it: you don't hate predation. You just hate when the house takes a bigger cut of your predation. Everything else is noise.
by Sammiekush m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59420845#post59420845)
I went down 30K chips rose up to 100k then doubled my chips only to be busted by someone twice and that was the end of my run. But later that night I played another tournament and came second so I'm not soo pained, lol
Oh nice, GG
by 7DeuceNeverLose m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59421689#post59421689)
You're not against predatory games.You're just pissed that the house maybe made the games you like harder to beat.Poker has always been predators (strong regulars) taking money from recreational players. You're one of the predators. You've said yourself you still play on the site, you can still make money heads-up with table selection, and you've even praised the place before w... See full post
You speak like someone who definitely needs to HU4rollz or shut up
by The_Masked_Player m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59421704#post59421704)
I'll be there you just got to find me
No idiot. Sixmax was never easy for anyone on coin. Winrates after RB was like sub 5 for the top guys. Just look at the data posted. Now after rake increases and pf rake this all gets worse. For 6max players coin is one of the worst or maybe even the worst to play at online. (There are apps that charge like 10% 8bb cap scam clubs lol). You dont like that i talk about this. You dont like the terminology that i use. Thats all. People are ignorant of rake. They dont understand how it works. You are one of them. If my posts help someones decision to play 6max on coin or not then great. Also this whole idea that im a predator and i dont like the bigger predators is total garbage. I never even played a single hand of 6max on coin. What is ur SN on coin?
Idiot?? I said "easier" not "easy" (very hard would still be easier) - and I believe that fits with your analysis re the recent changes Feel free to drop me your sn on coin and I might seek you out Hu , I'm easy money at the moment my game is in the toilet of late - but you won't be getting mine as advance notice
Lol... How can i find u if i dont know ur SN. Just say ur sn man. Dm me it. If coin tmr were to increase rake in nlhe cash games to 10% 8bb cap with a preflop rake in srp and 3bet pots. Would it be a scam? If people were to criticize and complain in the discussion threads would your opinion be the same as now?
by BigBananas m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59421736#post59421736)
Lol...How can i find u if i dont know ur SN. Just say ur sn man. Dm me it.If coin tmr were to increase rake in nlhe cash games to 10% 8bb cap with a preflop rake in srp and 3bet pots. Would it be a scam If people were to criticize and complain in the discussion threads would your opinion be the same as now[/[QUOTE=BigBananas;59421736]Lol...How can i find u if i dont know ur SN.... See full post
I said I'd find YOU so drop your sn if you want No, nothing could ever be called a "scam" just because the house takes a bigger cut than you'd like. Consider Travelex at the airport. You know you're getting a shitty rate on your euros (well most do but some don't travel much / don't know / don't care) . Nobody forces anyone to use it. But they still walk up, hand over their sterling, and take the rate because it's convenient or they can't be bothered finding a better option. That doesn't make Travelex a scam. It just makes it expensive (and it will have larger costs with its locations) Same here. IF you believe the rake is high.IF some games are hard or unprofitable for regulars. That sucks if those are the games you want to play. It does not make the site a scam. Especially when: . you still play there . you admit heads-up for you is beatable . other people are happy to play and some are winning (and they might not be grinders they might be tourney players/recs who play a few hours a week that fancy a bit of 1/2 and make nice money on a days session 6max) NOT everybody is evaluating things on 100k hands grinding it out You're free to leave. You're free to only play the games that still have edge. What you're not free to do (imo) is keep using the site while screaming "scam" every time the pricing doesn't suit you. That's not principle. That's just a regular who doesn't like the new numbers. And because of the terminology your continually using I'd question why Coin would want to provide you with any service at all
by 7DeuceNeverLose m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59421707#post59421707)
I'll be there you just got to find me
you said we gotta find you... so whats ur SN?
by BigBananas m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59421754#post59421754)
by 7DeuceNeverLose m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59421707#post59421707)
I'll be there you just got to find me
you said we gotta find you... so whats ur SN
Correct you got to FIND me - or maybe that's a feature you'd like Coin to run out for you lot as well - an email every morning "here's todays fish , you boxers are on the radiator downstairs perfectly heated . have a nice day glad to be of service , let us know if you need your arse wiped as well btw"
by 7DeuceNeverLose m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59421746#post59421746)
[QUOTE=BigBananas;59421736]Lol...How can i find u if i dont know ur SN. Just say ur sn man. Dm me it.If coin tmr were to increase rake in nlhe cash games to 10% 8bb cap with a preflop rake in srp and 3bet pots. Would it be a scam If people were to criticize and complain in the discussion threads would your opinion be the same as now[/I said I'd find YOU so drop your sn if you w... See full post
scummy business then?
And because of the terminology your continually using I'd question why Coin would want to provide you with any service at all
yo is this a hidden threat from jspills shill account
by 7DeuceNeverLose m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59421756#post59421756)
Correct you got to FIND me - or maybe that's a feature you'd like Coin to run out for you lot as well - an email every morning "here's todays fish , you boxers are on the radiator downstairs perfectly heated . have a nice day glad to be of service , let us know if you need your arse wiped as well btw"
ok i want to find you, so whats ur sn? why don't u want to tell ur sn? are you also saying that you are a fish?
by 7DeuceNeverLose m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59421756#post59421756)
Correct you got to FIND me - or maybe that's a feature you'd like Coin to run out for you lot as well - an email every morning "here's todays fish
So you're a fish? LOL Makes sense, who cares about paying huge sums of rake when you're losing anyway and this way you get a free tourney ticket to jack off too.
a 10% 8bb cap game isn't a scam. if someones running this game and you tell the ignorant people playing it that they are getting scammed then you are the bad one. you should ignore it and let them get scammed. The only reason why you are telling them that its a scam is because you want to scam them instead. This is who we're dealing with.
by BigBananas m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59421759#post59421759)
by 7DeuceNeverLose m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59421756#post59421756)
Correct you got to FIND me - or maybe that's a feature you'd like Coin to run out for you lot as well - an email every morning "here's todays fish , you boxers are on the radiator downstairs perfectly heated . have a nice day glad to be of service , let us know if you need your arse wiped as well btw"
ok i want to find you, so whats ur snwhy don't u want to tell ur snare you al... See full post
I believe currently a fish would be a definition I would attach to myself yes - had I of got you 20 yrs ago at 25/50hu I'd of most probably ate your lunch - but times change .. But then again maybe I'm not a fish , maybe it's just the sites fault
hahahah this is so stupid dude.
by BigBananas m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59421771#post59421771)
hahahah this is so stupid dude.
No wants stupid is you thinking you needing to (out of some self importance) advise the whole "community" (I love this community tagline ) - like your a seasoned pro grinder why don't you provide your sn so I can warn all the recs to swerve you at HU .. In their best interests
Would you be happy if HU bumhunters who sit but refuse to play getting a 3 strikes and their out policy or something like that What level do you want to go to with your activism
by BigBananas m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59421758#post59421758)
And because of the terminology your continually using I'd question why Coin would want to provide you with any service at all
yo is this a hidden threat from jspills shill account
It probably should be .. But I'm not him Imagine you ate and drank in a pub where you liked the steak but thought the chicken was poor You think any landlord would put up with you sitting munching on your steak but every time someone came in to order chicken your off blowing up their eardrums that the chickens no good You honestly think you'd last long And this self harm you seem to be engaging in , what's that about You want to use the site but try to harm it with your remarks at the same time when any of these drawbacks you perceive don't even affect you , but your rhetoric may have the potential to damage the site you use (it's the terminology "scam" I can't be doing with) Or maybe you think your shouting about it will be the thing that changes something When has that EVER worked , look at the thread your on I don't see Coin capitulating to anyone throughout (and nor should they) . I assume they'll run their business their way , quietly take on board any constructive criticism (done with manners . not "scam site") and be fluid as they have been over the last 9mths in trying new things (some you or others won't like) But there's a core of you on here in your own little echo chamber , you may actually be right on a lot of things taken through a narrow lens (your own wants and needs) but in the bigger picture your a very very small cog in a large wheel
yea im just so bad for pointing out that a 10% 8bb cap game is a scam. so terrible of me. why do you hate the regs so much? is it coz u feel stupid after we take ur money?
by 7DeuceNeverLose m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59421784#post59421784)
It probably should be .. But I'm not him Imagine you ate and drank in a pub where you liked the steak but thought the chicken was poor You think any landlord would put up with you sitting munching on your steak but every time someone came in to order chicken your off blowing up their eardrums that the chickens no good You honestly think you'd last long And this self harm you s... See full post
yea ppl post reviews all the time. man the chicken here sucked and it cost 50 dollars. gives 1 star. bla bla same **** here, im posting on a poker site discussion board about how bad the product is. you're just a shill wants to keep scamming or some butthurt fish.
if coinpoker bans my account because i called them a predator scam site on the internet, should they confiscate the funds or let me withdraw my funds before banning?
Never seen players justifying a huge rake increase with so much defensiveness before Remember when in 2023 GG increased HS rake which would leave the games dry. So the HS community as a whole stated a boycott and voiced their concerns and everyone agreed the new planned rake structure wasnt durable. After this 90% of the rake increase was reversed. Maybe Coin is trying to avoid a situation like this by flooding forums with new account posts about how great coin is. But they never explain why this rake increase is particularly positive though. And just remember that this rake increae blows the intended GG rake increase out of the water!
prob man. This dudes the most suspect acc ive seen.
by BigBananas m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59421786#post59421786)
yea im just so bad for pointing out that a 10% 8bb cap game is a scam. so terrible of me. why do you hate the regs so much is it coz u feel stupid after we take ur money
I don't hate anyone and I've no issue with guys taking my money when I'm playing as bad as I am currently because I've been on the other side of that coin I don't even mind you saying you don't like the increases (don't understand why you'd be so vocal if they don't affect you though) I've been very clear - using the word "scam" I do take umbrage at . I play on the site and it's the last word I'd ever use as a description of it - and there's been way too much of it throughout various threads for too long And anybody ever takes an opposing view to you lot it's always the same .. "butthurt" "loser" "idiot" I'd love to have an immigration debate with you , your the guys would immediately shout "racist" and I don't take that deflection seriously I get it though your all super smart , you've been around years and at this stage you've no doubt levelled up to nosebleed stakes and I'll have to seek you out at 500/1000 nl . Or again maybe you've never really progressed at all and have just been grinding out a basic living at 1/2 forever and feel aggrieved at you own lack of progression - that's understandable too
by BigBananas m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59421789#post59421789)
if coinpoker bans my account because i called them a predator scam site on the internet, should they confiscate the funds or let me withdraw my funds before banning
God no - I'd never be in favour of denying service with a confiscation - I'd simply say "Given your constant attacks on the site using defamatory language we've made a business decision not to service your business anymore and your account status has been changed to withdrawal mode only , have a great day"
2016 - Negreanu gets ripped by the poker community for saying more rake is better 2026 - People take the time to sign up to a poker forum and make many posts defending a site that continually raises rake and reduces rewards without any warning or transparency
Negreanu never said that quote-he argued high rake keeps pros out, which the community caricatured into the 'More Rake Is Better' meme. Imagine referencing 10-year-old Doug Polk satire in 2026 and thinking it's a real quote
by 7DeuceNeverLose m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59422481#post59422481)
Negreanu never said that quote-he argued high rake keeps pros out, which the community caricatured into the 'More Rake Is Better' meme. Imagine referencing 10-year-old Doug Polk satire in 2026 and thinking it's a real quote
it’s a nonsense argument though, pros will play wherever they can make most money, sure I’ll pay coinpoker’s rake if you let me sit with 5 whales this isn’t what’s happening at all i looked at the 5/10 games yesterday on coin, 6 full table, 3 of them had NO recs, one of em had a 25bb rec sitting out and the 2 other tables had 1 rec each
And your fully entitled to that opinion As I stated previously to the other guy "I don't even mind you saying you don't like the increases (don't understand why you'd be so vocal if they don't affect you though) I've been very clear - using the word "scam" I do take umbrage at . I play on the site and it's the last word I'd ever use as a description of it - and there's been way too much of it throughout various thread for too long"
it’s not really an opinion though
by 7DeuceNeverLose m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59422505#post59422505)
"I don't even mind you saying you don't like the increases (don't understand why you'd be so vocal if they don't affect you though)
Well, thats very courteous of you to not mind that But in fairness, there isnt a player unaffected by these immense rake increases. Whether its directly or indirectly, whether they notice it or they dont. This isnt an impactless new feature like throwables, this is changing the landscape of the pokersite. And (I think) one of the reasons people are maybe more vocal about this one is the fact that CoinPoker always presented itself as the last site to make such a greedy decision. If a pokersite taglines and mission include "for the players" and "transparency" its not weird that players are pissed off and letting it know. Its more weird that several new accounts show up defending coinpoker. One thing I havent seen them do is defend the most recent rake changes though, most likely because it would need a very creative angle. So, if you can, please tell me. What do you think is positive about increasing rake and introducing preflop rake in the process?
Sorry did I say there was anything positive about it or indeed that I saw any issue in discussing it (with manners) I was more than clear - the word "scam" is going too far unless you think that's fair terminology Slugant And I questioned why any business would put up with that and provide service to those who would label them as such . (Your previous posting history appears one of continually picking the opposing position and I think that's been pointed out - I have no want or need to provide you with endless dialogue)
I can assure you about this topic I am not picking the opposing position, I am definitely in the majority group 😉 The opposing postion is completely taken up by brand new accounts coincidentally choosing the exact moment of the massive rake increase to spread the gospel of coinpoker Funny thing is these brand new accounts, who almost exclusively post in the 2 coinpoker threads, are fully aware of numerous peoples posting histories across all different sub-forums. Its almost as if they are not brand new at all 😃
Majority group Your majority is made up of the people that post on forums like these So your majority is in your echo chamber , it may well be a well informed group but it won't be a majority of the people that play online . because the majority there won't know or care for the most part . wether they should that's another matter but don't consider your the majority , that would be foolhardy (and conceited)
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