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Ram and jam or 4th NFD TP too weak?

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killians4Regular37 posts
Posted May 2, 2026, 2:48 PM#1

Typical 4/8 game, many weak/bad players 4-5 to a flop typical 8 handed 3 limps to me in the HJ with JcTc, I raise, one fold, calls to bad UTG limper who now 3!, calls to idiot SB who caps. All calls. 14 BB 7 ways to flop. I yell "bingo!" everyone laughs. Flop is Th4c2c, very nice. Blinds check to UTG who bets, +1 now raises, call, am I ramming and jamming here or going for overcalls to bloat the pot even more?

ntnBOMicro-Stakes Grinder15 posts
Posted May 2, 2026, 3:52 PM#2

You’re probably behind but 50/50 against AA. Unless you’re up against a set or a higher flush draw you’re in really good shape. I’d ram and jam. Plus, it’s good for your image if you lose.

asmittyRegular43 posts
Posted May 2, 2026, 8:04 PM#3

by ntnBO m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59295165#post59295165)

You're probably behind but 50/50 against AA. Unless you're up against a set or a higher flush draw you're in really good shape. I'd ram and jam. Plus, it's good for your image if you lose.

Yep, agree. I wouldn’t raise a big street unless you improve though.

ninefingershuffleRegular68 posts
Posted May 3, 2026, 10:12 PM#4

Four bet pre

killians4Regular37 posts
Posted May 4, 2026, 10:22 PM#5

by ninefingershuffle m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59296021#post59296021)

Four bet pre

What is your 4 bet range here? I actually thought about it as I figured it might wind up capped anyway but thought JTs was too weak. Much like after tanking I thought my 4th NFD/TPGK was too weak to ram and jam.

ninefingershuffleRegular68 posts
Posted May 4, 2026, 10:54 PM#6

I mean for value JJ plus, AK some AQs. But I like to balance that with suited connectors that have good equity multi-way like JTs

killians4Regular37 posts
Posted May 5, 2026, 12:55 AM#7

by ninefingershuffle m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59296762#post59296762)

I mean for value JJ plus, AK some AQs. But I like to balance that with suited connectors that have good equity multi-way like JTs

About what I figured, good mw scs to balance. Thanks.

SLIM.SHADYNewbie3 posts
Posted May 5, 2026, 5:33 PM#8

U HAVE 6 PEOPLE IN HAND....IF ALL THINGS WERE EVEN EVERYONE WOULD WIN AROUND 14.3% OF TIME. SO YOU SHOULD BE CAPPING HANDS THAT HAVE OVER SAY ..16% EQUITY...DEPENDING ON UR TOLERANCE FOR VARIANCE LOL. SUITED ACES, I THINK MAYBE SUITED KINGS, 10's & 9'S. DIDNT WE JUST TALK ABOUT THIS VERY TOPIC ABOUT A MONTH AGO? I REMEMBER SOMEONE TROLLIN COMPLAININ ABOUT ME BRINGING UP SUITED ACES LOL...IZMET FEIKALI AND MASON HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS. INFACT, IT WAS TITLED RAMMIN N JAMMIN...I TRIED TO POST IT ONCE BUT GUESS IT WAS AGAINST THE RULES, IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING TOO...

SLIM.SHADYNewbie3 posts
Posted May 11, 2026, 7:17 PM#9

FOR BET RANGE WITH 6 OTHER PEOPLE IN THE POT........(JJ PLUS, AK AQs) THIS IS WAAAAAY TO TIGHT! U HAVE 6 PEOPLE IN HAND....IF ALL THINGS WERE EVEN EVERYONE WOULD WIN AROUND 14.3% OF TIME. SO YOU SHOULD BE CAPPING HANDS THAT HAVE OVER SAY ..16% EQUITY...DEPENDING ON UR TOLERANCE FOR VARIANCE LOL. SUITED ACES, I THINK MAYBE SUITED KINGS, 10's & 9'S. DIDNT WE JUST TALK ABOUT THIS VERY TOPIC ABOUT A MONTH AGO? I REMEMBER SOMEONE TROLLIN COMPLAININ ABOUT ME BRINGING UP SUITED ACES LOL...IZMET FEIKALI AND MASON HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS. INFACT, IT WAS TITLED RAMMIN N JAMMIN...I TRIED TO POST IT ONCE BUT GUESS IT WAS AGAINST THE RULES, IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING TOO...

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