Daniel Negreanu containment thread — all things about Danny

how bad must he be when a girl falls asleep while making out and then starts snoring immediately afterward? life fish..... food arrived but didn

by deegen m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58394063#post58394063)

Feels like GG has screwed up a lot lately with huge rake hikes, banning players who were winning, and now hackers basically being able to see opponents' cards (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kMXNbTX... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kMXNbTXXJg)). I'm certain Daniel and other sponsored pros won't say anything about this, but do you think the company's public figure holds any responsibility? Is it acceptable to accept massive... See full post

Jason Koon, who supposedly sits on the "anti-cheating council" or whatever, in my view bears far more responsibility than DNegs in this situation.

New videos with some reflections on 2023 and adjustments for 2024: HOW I LOST OVER 2 MILLION DOLLARS in a YEAR! - YouTube

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HOW I LOST OVER 2 MILLION DOLLARS in a YEAR! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu-QqzikpWU)Daniel Negreanu (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0w4AA42ItXQEb9aZld87-w) Daniel Negreanu945K subscribers

Cliffs Notes on his resolutions:

• Enter fewer events.
• Prioritize focus over gambling.
• Put in more effort.
• Stop chasing WSOP POTY. (!!!) All of these seem like beneficial changes for him. It appears he realized that the nonstop POTY grind harmed his results, especially since POTY is a hollow accolade. You don't even win a truck anymore!

by CrazyLond m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58376548#post58376548)

Daniel's poker pedigree speaks for itself as fifth on the all time tournament cash list with a career spanning decades. He and Hellmuth are the only guys from the original high stakes poker that still appear in high stakes televised cash games. If Amanda didn't want fame, she wouldn't have been a poker reporter.

Dwan JRB Robl and I'm sure some others. DN sure but Helmuth min buys in super soft games.

by DogFace m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58397931#post58397931)

New videos with some reflections on 2023 and changes for 2024:Cliffs Notes on his resolutions: - Play fewer events.- Focus more/gamble less.- Work harder. - Don't chase WSOP POTY. (!!!)All sound like positive changes for him. Seems like he recognized that the relentless POTY grind was counterproductive for him, especially since POTY is an empty title. You don't even win a truck... See full post

Yea POTY is a joke for many reasons. I'm amazed Deeb cares so much about it. He should also add don't get hustled by HU NL specialists to play HU NL at a massive disadvantage although maybe that was 2022.

DNegs states in the new video that he must be more humble and put in more effort, then right after declares he doesn't care what any of us think or say and insists he knows best. The whole video is full of contradictory statements.

by jcorb m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58398009#post58398009)

DNegs says in the new vid that he needs to be more humble and put in the work, then immediately claims he doesn't care what any of us think or say, that he knows best. Very contradictory messaging throughout the video.

It's pretty clear how far above EV he's played in poker that ordinary swings somehow surprise him. Also amusing that he has to torch 2.2 mil and break even over 3 years to realize entering every possible event and firing multiple bullets like a maniac is a terrible approach. I mean dropping from 25ks to 500 dollar events is pretty hilarious. He's definitely won at life though.

You do receive a Main Event entry with POTY, but I feel that awarding it to a relatively unknown player whose claim is mainly online results reduces its prestige.

WSOP should re-evaluate POTY and make it a more attractive title worth pursuing. Right now it’s mainly a prestige accolade with banner value, which DNegs really covets, a lot, but he’s finally acknowledged his game isn’t built for the pursuit. Still, I think WSOP should treat winning POTY like the PGA treats a major: the POTY should receive something like a 5 or even 10 year “exemption” into the Main. Also, the flimsy online events shouldn’t count, or should count only minimally in my view.

Online bracelets are fake bracelets IMO, not that bracelets really mean much anyway. I used to be in the trance of the WSOP branding, but tournaments are just tournaments. Winning some 200 person mixed variant at the WSOP isn't more impressive than winning a 1,500 player field at the Wynn even though one is a bracelet and one isn't. The old players like Doyle and Chip prioritized money over bracelets until bracelets became the metric of a player's worth, but it feels like they had it right in the first place. Judging players primarily by their bracelets, rings, and "WSOP cashes" is just feeding into the Caesars marketing. Negreanu ditching the POTY rat race feels like an epiphany that it's not worth the time/energy/money just to have your picture on the wall. I think a part of him wanted to have "most WSOP POTY in history" locked down as his Hellmuth-like claim to tangible WSOP history, but he had enough self-awareness to realize the juice wasn't worth the squeeze. As for Deeb, he was a volume beast of epic proportions back in the heyday of pre-BF online grinding. You'd see him in the big buy-ins all the way down to the measly $3+R where scrubs like myself existed. I'd venture to guess that around 2009 or 2010, Deeb had played more total MTTs than just about anyone on the planet. He seemed to genuinely love the grind, so it's actually not surprising that his propensity for insane volume has translated to the live realm.

by TheFly m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58398223#post58398223)

WSOP should re-evaluate POTY, and make it a more juicy title worth chasing. Right now it’s just a prestige thing with banner equity, which DNegs really wants, like a lot, but he’s finally realized his game isn’t suited for the chase. Nevertheless, I think WSOP should treat winning POTY like the PGA treats winning a major, the POTY should get like a 5 or even... See full post

They're in a tricky spot because it's either: A.) Make it about quantity over quality (in which case it's primarily a bankroll competition). B.) Make it about quality over quantity (in which case it's primarily about who sun runs in the big spots that year). You can try to find a balance in the middle, but I'm not sure it's possible in a 6-7 week festival to devise a formula for who played the best. I think GPI POTY is the closest thing to a world championship in tournament poker, and even that still feels like a glorified rungood meter after 12 months of results. Poker doesn't lend itself well to this type of honor. Too hard to separate the signal from the noise.

Perhaps he's worried that if GG follows UB's path he won't be able to afford losing $2 million annually.

by DogFace m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58398228#post58398228)

Online bracelets are bogus in my view; not that bracelets carry much meaning anyway. I used to buy into the WSOP mystique, but a tournament is still just a tournament. Winning some 200 person mixed variant at the WSOP isn’t inherently more notable than winning a 1,500 player field at the Wynn, even if one comes with a bracelet and the other does not. The old-timers like Doyle and Chip prioritize... See full post

All bracelets are just marketing. They don’t hold real prestige or significance. Some guy has one from the 70s for taking down a 2 player event. You can win a 10000 percent 500 dollar cluster **** or beat some 100 person high roller and both hand out bracelets, so what’s the difference. It’s not like earning an MVP or Cy Young award.

by borg23 m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58398456#post58398456)

All bracelets are a marketing gimmick. There's no prestige or significance about them. Some guy has one from the 70s for winning a 2 player event. You can win a 10000 percent 500 dollar cluster **** or win some 100 person high roller and they both issue bracelets so who cares. It's not like winning an MVP or Cy Young award.

One guy has one in Five Card Stud because no one else showed up

by ScotchOnDaRocks m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58398460#post58398460)

One guy has one in Five Card Stud because no one else showed up

You are referring to Bill Boyd's 4 bracelets in no limit 5 card stud, versus 1, 2, 4, and 8 player fields.

by DogFace m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58397931#post58397931)

New videos with some reflections on 2023 and changes for 2024:Cliffs Notes on his resolutions: - Play fewer events.- Focus more/gamble less.- Work harder. - Don't chase WSOP POTY. (!!!)All sound like positive changes for him. Seems like he recognized that the relentless POTY grind was counterproductive for him, especially since POTY is an empty title. You don't even win a truck... See full post

2024 I'm going to be humble. Same guy: Nobody other than I know why I lost in 2023.

I just ran bad. Same guy: Playing straight up gamble blind shove poker is good for the rest of you. But I don't do that with other people's money :/

The lack of self awareness is striking with this guy. It's a good thing he makes money away from the tables. What would have been really persuasive relative to the "I don't need unsolicited advice" BS would have been, "I'm working with a coach to review where my leaks are and how to plug them" because it's glaringly obvious that he has massive leaks and were it not for making quads against aces full last year, he'd be down $5 million in two years. Is he better than most of us? Sure. Is he world class? Right now, not close.

Yeah, he could hire some great coaches with his $s. Also, might be good to try playing online NLHE and PLO cash and see what level he could beat. Play SNGs and MTTSNGs and learn about playing a short stack. Also, might be good to start and 5/5 or so and see what level of live NLHE and PLO he can beat. He could also cut out the high rollers and do fine. No question he can crush $1500 tournaments in any game.

Good for him being upfront about his losses. But there's a lot to unpack. What made me laugh in his review was showing a "cash percentage" of 29%. It reads like a reassuring figure that supports his claim that "I ran poorly in the high rollers, which is the main reason I lost so much this year." He does note that the percentage is inflated by multiple re-entries in each event, but that point is only brushed over before he moves on. In truth, his cash percentage is likely closer to 10%, which is a very poor rate for a pro competing in 150+ events.

by Kebabkungen m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58399387#post58399387)

Good on him for being honest about losing. But much to comment.My main lol from his review was having "cash percentage" up there on 29%. Sounds like a good number that sorta confirms his narrative that "i was running bad in the high rollers, thats main reason I lost so much this year". While he does admit that its inflated because of number of buy ins in each event, its just me... See full post

Lol, if I play one event and fire 10 bullets at it and cash and then say I have a cash percentage of 100%

by borg23 m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58398#post58398)

All bracelets are a marketing gimmick. There's no prestige or significance about them.

by DogFace m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58398228#post58398228)

Online bracelets are fake bracelets IMO, not that bracelets really mean much anyway.

The only genuine WSOP bracelet is a live brick and mortar bracelet won in the state of Nevada. That said, DNegs hasn't won a genuine, born in the USA bracelet since 2008. He has literally had thousands of entries since then, and has come up empty every time. That said, Daniel has definitely won in the game of life.

by iwasbanned m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58399526#post58399526)

The only genuine WSOP bracelet is a live brick and mortar bracelet won in the state of Nevada. That said, DNegs hasn't won a genuine, born in the USA bracelet since 2008. He has literally had thousands of entries since then, and has come up empty every time. That said, Daniel has definitely won in the game of life.

Does he seem happy to you ?

Can anyone determine his real cash percentage in these 150 events? Is that feasible?

by fasterlearner m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58399825#post58399825)

Can anyone determine his real cash percentage in these 150 events? Is that feasible?

Without re-entry information, no. But using PokerNews/PokerGO High Roller reports, you can roughly piece it together.

by Kebabkungen m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58399387#post58399387)

Good on him for being honest about losing. But much to comment.My main lol from his review was having "cash percentage" up there on 29%. Sounds like a good number that sorta confirms his narrative that "i was running bad in the high rollers, thats main reason I lost so much this year". While he does admit that its inflated because of number of buy ins in each event, its just me... See full post

It's odd he calculates his "cash percentage" like this,while being honest about his losses and admitting the way he calculates it is total nonsense.

DNegs claims he's had only two losing years in his 30 year poker career. I call bullshit on that. He's had two losing years in the last 10 years. No chance DNegs went the first 20 years of poker without having a losing year.

For those suggesting his percentage in cash is about 10% That implies he would need to possess more re entries than entries. Does he actually have that many — more than 150 re entries?

by fasterlearner m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58400086#post58400086)

Those claiming his % cash is around 10% So he would need to have more re-entries than initial entries. Does he actually have that many — more than 150 re-entries?

Have you viewed any of his vlogs? He bluffs recklessly in the unlimited re-entry tournaments. 8 bullets is likely an average, lol.

by fasterlearner m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58400086#post58400086)

Those saying his % cash is roughly 10% So he would need more re-entries than initial entries. Does he actually have that many — more than 150 re-entries?

From https://www.worldpokertour.com/news/dani... (https://www.worldpokertour.com/news/daniel-negreanu-posts-2-2m-loss-for-2023-eyes-changes-for-2024/) Among the results, Negreanu also logged the most volume he’s had in years, citing 145 tournaments — by far the largest number of events he’s played in a single year over the past decade and, he says, possibly in his career. He cashed in 39 events (~27%), although Negreanu doesn’t track how many entries he bought for a specific event, only whether he cashed.

by iwasbanned m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58400056#post58400056)

DNegs claims he's had only two losing years in his 30 year poker career. I call bullshit on that. He's had two losing years in the last 10 years. No chance DNegs went the first 20 years of poker without having a losing year.

Poker was so much easier back then so I do believe it. Also he gets extra reads by talking to people which not many other players do and hes very good at it but this tactic has lost a lot of its magic in modern poker because back then a lot of people didnt understand tells even existed. Poker has gotten way harder in the last 10 years so what he says fits fine.

For some of that period, he was grinding low-mid stakes tournaments. That is different from playing high rollers. Most grinders are upset if they have a loosing month. It is like having a losing year playing 2/5 NL.

by iwasbanned m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58400056#post58400056)

DNegs claims he's had only two losing years in his 30 year poker career. I call bullshit on that. He's had two losing years in the last 10 years. No chance DNegs went the first 20 years of poker without having a losing year.

I believe it. People were atrocious for basically all of those 20 years and for a lot of those 20 years he was clearly a world class player and actually grinding hard to win. Idiots like Mike Matusow and TJ Cloudier were crushers back then. I think he's a massive dog in high rollers. But they didn't even exist 10+ years ago. He's one of the few people from 10-20 years ago who isn't completely washed out breaking even etc who can at least still compete today. If you look through Hendons of a lot of guys from back then they still play a lot but basically play small and only have min cashes. 15 years ago they'd have multiple 6 figure scores each year. A bunch of Humberto Brenes types who DN was way better than .

by fasterlearner m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58400086#post58400086)

Those of you saying his % cash is about 10% So he would have to have more re entries then entries. Does he have that many. More than 150 re entries?

He definitely has more reentries than entries. He has 2 entries literally almost every event. He frequently has 3+ entries. He even says so himself in another part of the vlog "People say its unfair that I have multiple entries. Yes I have 2-3-4 entries" (the way he says it implies even 4 entries is common for him). It wasnt like that this year but one of the years he was chasing POTY he had literally 15+ entries in an unlimited reentry tournament. Also funny that he says in relation to this - "but its not unfair that I have more entries, because I am often negative EV in my first bullets - you should be happy Im adding money to the field" - literally admitting that hes very often randomly punting to try to build a stack. While at the same time claiming that "running bad" is his main enemy. Lol. The people buying at 1.0 markup are getting ripped off because hes viewing those first bullets as worthless, and not paying out on wins from reentries. My 10% number was based on what I think is a fairly fair estimation that he has about 3 entries on average. Maybe he is closer to 12% but seriously doubt its higher than that.

Dnegs begins 2024 in the black with a victory in the 10k opening event of PGT Last Chance. He played well, escaped a few difficult situations, and quickly shattered Bonomo's chances.

by theporkchop m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58400742#post58400742)

Dnegs starts 2024 in the black with a win in the 10k opening event of PGT Last Chance. He played fine got out of a few bad spots and crushed Bonomo's chances early

Rigged for him obv

I'm curious: of the money he lost, how much went to rake? (online player — not sure about live rake) I'd like to understand the effect of rake alone. Maybe raising the rake isn't good for the game. Just saying.

by iwasbanned m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58400056#post58400056)

DNegs asserts he's experienced only two losing years across his 30-year poker career. I call bullshit on that. He's had two losing years in the past 10 years. There’s no way DNegs went the initial 20 years of playing poker without a single losing year.

it's possible. i've had 2 losing years over the last 25 years while logging heavy volume both online and live.

by fasterlearner m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58401101#post58401101)

I am wondering of the money he lost, how much did he pay in rake ? (online player not sure of live rake) Would be interested to know the impact of the rake alone. Maybe increasing the rake isn't good for the game just saying

AFAIK the Poker Go studio events are rake free for entries that show up at the start of level 1, and Dnegs does like to show up on time so he probably has quite a few rake free entries, minus rebuys of course.

The year of DN has arrived! He wins his first tournament, and even more impressively, defeats Bonomo — that's delightful.

by Army Eye m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58401201#post58401201)

The year of DN arrives! He takes his first tournament victory, and even more satisfying, defeats Bonomo — that's delightful.

This comes immediately after announcing he lost millions in 2023. Not suspicious at all...

Anyone watch it? Should have gotten 2nd. The last hand played every street wrong and was rewarded by binking a 4-outer on the river. He flats AK as button. Bb checks with J2. Flop JJx(small card). Bb checks, DN bets and BB check raises, DN calls. Turn 10. Bb leads out and DN shoves all in. Bb calls all in with DN barely covering. River Q. Good game.

That turn jam was horrible

Bonomo genuinely seems to be enjoying himself as a high-stakes live grinder!

by BulltexasATM m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58402207#post58402207)

Anyone watch it? Should have gotten 2nd. The last hand played every street wrong and was rewarded by binking a 4-outer on the river. He flats AK as button. Bb checks with J2. Flop JJx(small card). Bb checks, DN bets and BB check raises, DN calls. Turn 10. Bb leads out and DN shoves all in. Bb calls all in with DN barely covering. River Q. Good game.

That has to be the absolute worst way you could play that hand ?

by LimpDitka m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58402975#post58402975)

That must be the very worst way you could have played that hand.

Just opening and mucking preflop would have been a better choice.

by LimpDitka m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58402975#post58402975)

That must be the very worst way you could have played that hand.

I think Daniel said afterward something along the lines of "I love the way I played it."

He has to be one of the most results oriented player. Plays like this patting himself on the back, always rabbit hunting online, etc.

It isn't quite as bad as it appears. Obviously, I'm playing for a 3-bet before the flop. I think it's unlikely my opponent holds a J, since there are only 2 Js remaining, and they might have raised preflop with a J.

sure, calling on the turn is the stronger choice, but if the opponent is drawing more frequently than usual it could be acceptable. it isnt a disastrous line or the worst way to handle the hand.

by Defarse m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58403263#post58403263)

He has to be one of the most results oriented player. Plays like this patting himself on the back, always rabbit hunting online, etc.

Seems like people here are being results oriented. Maybe not good play, but DN figured his opponent didn't have a J and was trying to bluff him. It is easier to see how bad it is when you know his opponent's hole cards. Obviously, DN should have folded to the raise because his opponent had trips.

by limon m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58401106#post58401106)

its possible. ive had 2 losing years in the last 25 years with heavy volume online and live.

"massive winner on party 2003-2008. the cfo of party, vikrant bhargava, even flew to america to meet some of us to see how we were playing so many hands, make it easier to multi table without opening multiple accounts and to give us bank cards to withdraw. i also played on a 100% rake back "prop" account at absolute and killed it for a while. by 2009 i was nearly 100% live poker. " "I have a deal with a casino to run a game. i play about 15 hours a week. 10-20-straddle PLO and $30 ante double board bomb pots. When a big casino has a grand opening soon I will be steering their new dealers in the pits and counting cards on opening week!!!at you needed to online to win wasn't fun or interesting to me." From your thread. "100% live" the last 14 years....? Heavy volume..?

by crsseyed m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58403809#post58403809)

"massive winner on party 2003-2008. the cfo of party, vikrant bhargava, even flew to america to meet some of us to see how we were playing so many hands, make it easier to multi table without opening multiple accounts and to give us bank cards to withdraw. i also played on a 100% rake back "prop" account at absolute and killed it for a while. by 2009 i was nearly 100% live poke... See full post

heavy volume over my lifetime. since covid low volume, no online poker since 2009. the losing/breakeven years were medium volume in 2002-3ish and super high volume in 2008-9ish. Both times it was because i ran bad in the biggest games i played that year (low volume spots that just popped up) and couldn't make it up in the smaller ones.

What were the stack depths in the last hand? That plays a huge part in how he played it.

they were 30bb effective

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUSg_X43... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUSg_X43_sU) I watched the video. DN started HU down 4.5-1. He acted first preflop, so I like the check with AK. The flop was JJT, so he flopped the gutshot and overcards. The turn was a 4. He had a pretty strong hand on the flop, only in trouble versus a J. Opponent is very unlikely to have TT-AA checking 2nd to act preflop. Preflop and flop seem OK. Turn semibluff may be questionable. Don't see how it is played that terribly. If opponent didn't have J and folded turn, it would look really good.

I notice a pattern: when he wins, it's attributed to his great skills and knowledge; when he loses, it's blamed on bad luck.

by deuceblocker m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58404647#post58404647)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUSg_X43... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUSg_X43_sU)I watched the video. DN started HU down 4.5-1. He acted first preflop, so I like the check with AK. The flop was JJT, so he flopped the gutshot and overcards. The turn was a 4. He had a pretty strong hand on the flop, only in trouble versus a J. Opponent is very unlikely to have TT-AA checking 2nd to act preflop. Preflop and flop seem ... See full post

Putting yourself into that spot with AK by playing it as he did is bad however you put it. When you are in a spot where you are jamming to fold out hands you already beat and get snap called by everything else which has you drawing dead ish it cant be a good play. V is on so much Jx in that node after limp/x back pre and x/r flop.

by Kebabkungen m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58408429#post58408429)

Putting yourself into that spot with AK by playing it as he did is bad however you put it. When you are in a spot where you are jamming to fold out hands you already beat and get snap called by everything else which has you drawing dead ish it cant be a good play. V is on so much Jx in that node after limp/x back pre and x/r flop.

Yeah, I agree I don't like the push, but preflop and flop were reasonable. It makes a difference that the flop was JJT rather than JJ4x, as initially reported ITT. AK is pretty strong on JJT.

by Kebabkungen m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58408429#post58408429)

Putting yourself into that spot with AK by playing it as he did is bad however you put it. When you are in a spot where you are jamming to fold out hands you already beat and get snap called by everything else which has you drawing dead ish it cant be a good play. V is on so much Jx in that node after limp/x back pre and x/r flop.

It was a terrible play no need to explain this any further to a guy who cant even get the action right (noone checked ak preflop). Reminds me of some players i sometimes play private micro tournaments with, trying to trap with AK by limping and when the trap does not work they still cant find a fold or start to bluff on boards that perfectly hit the checking range of BB/limping range of other players at the table. Just lol. I actually think preflop is pretty bad too since players tend to defend pretty wide HU and Ak is definitely a hand u want to build a pot at this moment and not let ur opponent see a free flop. Yes u can maybe make an argument that the other guy was short and probably DN thought he will shove on his limp but still...

I executed the action correctly. The other person misremembered the flop. It was JJT4Q, not JJ4TQ. DN limped preflop, clearly intending to shove. Facing the turn shove, I suppose DN didn't want to be forced off the nut-without-a-pair on the river, thinking that could play well. He could fold on the turn, call the turn and call the river, or call the turn and fold the river if he didn't improve. He may have believed he had 10 outs. It was a tough spot on the turn. DN might have checked back the flop and likely would have done so if the board had been JJ4 rather than JJT.

Has Negreanu issued a statement about his employers scandal or is he too busy counting his paycheque from them?

by iF5 m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58409680#post58409680)

Has Negreanu issued a statement about his employers scandal or is he too busy counting his paycheque from them?

I like Daniel and have defended him in this thread numerous times but his silence on this is a really bad look. After all the talking he has done about other scandals and how he projects himself as someone who never holds back and always tell it as it is and yet, crickets on this topic. He is a complete ****ing hypocrite who stays quiet when he needs his pockets to stay lined just like every other scumbag in poker.

by BlackJackDegen m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58409800#post58409800)

I like Daniel and have defended him in this thread numerous times but his silence on this is a really bad look. After all the talking he has done about other scandals and how he projects himself as someone who never holds back and always tell it as it is and yet, crickets on this topic.He is a complete ****ing hypocrite who stays quiet when he needs his pockets to stay lined ju... See full post

But like you didn't realize this when he said increasing the rake was good for the game. I will never understand how any serious poker player can accept that statement, because its false. At the same time Daniel is Mr Morality, calling out Howard, Ferguson, Duke. Mr police man with high level of integrity. Until like you said when its his money effected, then he's Mr Politician as Phil Hellmuth calls him. Which basically means he's trash. I mean do you guys play poker. Is increasing the rake good for the game wtf

That's part of the reason GG brought him on: he argued that higher rake benefits Stars. He will defend their fee structure no matter how absurd. That's a portion of what he, Koons, and others are compensated to do.

I'm largely in agreement that Daniel is a fraud. I used to be a big fan, but his silence on this matter is embarrassing given how he comments on every other poker controversy. He really only cares about one thing: himself and keeping his pockets lined with money.

by fasterlearner m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58409983#post58409983)

I mean, do you folks play poker? Is raising the rake beneficial for the game, wtf

I'm not saying I agree with Daniel, but his reasoning wasn't awful. He might genuinely have believed what he said at the time.

The rake topic has been hashed as much as what to tip a Dealer. As with anything you need to know 'why' and what the results of said why are going to have in the long run. Most assume that it just means more profit for the site and those that rep it. If that rake was going to actually grow the game then we can speculate on the impact on the game/site in whole. If you go status quo .. losing players will lose, then run out of money and disappear. Then winning players are left to battle it out in zero sum worlds .. or they just don't play. No more rake .. no more site. If the rake was used on freerolls or rakeback, sign-up bonuses or other promotional events then we can hope it keeps the losing players active longer and brings in new players. All this can very easily be crap with no follow through and I'm in no position to judge if that's what did, or would, happen. What I do know is dragging up these skeletons at these opportune times kind of dilutes the current topic. Can they show a pattern? Sure .. but the context of those comments is well covered .. Did it happen and what did the site follow through with? With GG .. I'd like to see both DN and Koon make comments on the issue. But I also think the site jumped right in and took action. If they previously knew and didn't do anything then we have a scandal. If they were dragging feet then we definitely should be looking to Pros to step up with statements. I'd hate to see either of them up and go the 'ongoing investigation' route with comments that make them look like company puppets. GL

by iF5 m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58409680#post58409680)

Has Negreanu issued a statement about his employers scandal or is he too busy counting his paycheque from them?

What scandal? There was a glitch and they fixed it.

My point as well .. 'scandal' can only come into play if they knew and did nothing 'right away' and/or the User was internal. It's very possible that they are still tracking down the User. To label this a scandal is a pretty good watering down of the term. I'd love to see 'the committee' (Koon is on, correct?) be the ones to come out with GG when they can offer a somewhat comprehensive report. Not looking for tech stuff so someone else can try to do it .. just some general stuff with the User's Identity (pending investigation/legal action). GL PS .. What is in the fine print when you sign up for an online account? Is there anything related to moral/ethical/fraud/software manipulation or anything else that might lead to the criminal side rather than the civil side of the courts?

Why did Daniel got kicked out of Pokerstars? Does somebody here knows? If I ask google it says “we had to take different life paths”, which is obviously a politically correct bullshit. Specially when Daniel just did a quarter rotation and went to GG poker, it’s not like he went for a different life path. Something happened!

by ManastaR m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58413080#post58413080)

Why did Daniel got kicked out of Pokerstars? Does somebody here knows? If I ask google it says “we had to take different life paths”, which is obviously a politically correct bullshit. Specially when Daniel just did a quarter rotation and went to GG poker, it’s not like he went for a different life path. Something happened!

Could be as simple as GG offered more money or a better compensation package.

by ManastaR m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58413080#post58413080)

Why did Daniel got kicked out of Pokerstars? Does somebody here knows? If I ask google it says “we had to take different life paths”, which is obviously a politically correct bullshit. Specially when Daniel just did a quarter rotation and went to GG poker, it’s not like he went for a different life path. Something happened!

the switch to GG was expected since the rake is much higher on GG which fits Daniel's philosophy to a T.

by MastaAces m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58413216#post58413216)

the switch to GG was expected since the rake is much higher on GG which fits Daniel's philosophy to a T.

AND they allow black face and super user's good for Danielle! I guess DM2, had that Q always coming on the river. Maybe limon can offer him some hair

by AAJTo m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58400507#post58400507)

Poker was so much easier back then so I do believe it. Also he gets extra reads by talking to people which not many other players do and hes very good at it but this tactic has lost a lot of its magic in modern poker because back then a lot of people didnt understand tells even existed. Poker has gotten way harder in the last 10 years so what he says fits fine.

He also has his Modern Poker Theory from his 3milly quads over FH win on his side. His no commenting on the GG saga has just destroyed him completely in my eyes but will barely reach the cuck masses! From pokernews https://www.pokernews.com/news/2023/04/t... (https://www.pokernews.com/news/2023/04/top-10-richest-poker-players-net-worth-ranking-pokernews-43308.htm) #7 Daniel Negreanu - $70 million Daniel Negreanu

As well as being one of the richest poker players, Daniel Negreanu is also one of the most famous. His net worth grew almost entirely from his poker bankroll. From going broke in the 90s to ruling as part of the poker establishment, his has been a long journey.

How Did Daniel Negreanu Make his Money? One of the OG poker stars, Daniel Negreanu's net worth was built up first with his bankroll, then with lucrative sponsorship deals during the poker boom. He is one of the most successful tournament players in the world and is a regular in cash games at the highest level.

How Much Has Daniel Negreanu Won From Poker? Daniel Negreanu is a poker all-rounder. He has played as one of the props of the Big Game, excels in tournament play, and has played huge volume as high stakes online. Through all of this, Negreanu's net worth went from a few hundred bucks in the 90s, to $70 million today. Broken YouTube Linkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LZSlQBt... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LZSlQBtOUM)

by YaBoyINthe604 m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58374017#post58374017)

Amanda is obviously struggling with serious mental health problems & her husband keeps insisting on shoving a stupid camera right in her face, mocking her about her issues!! You're a clown DNegs — let Amanda handle her mental health off camera, away from your dumb poker fame! DNegs is really a terrible husband; it's only a matter of time before Aman... See full post

She has bipolar disorder along with physical medical problems. He uses her for clicks and to boost his ego. I feel bad for her right now.

by Kebabkungen m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58397637#post58397637)

Jason Koon, who supposedly sits on the "anti-cheating council" or whatever, has far more responsibility than DNegs in this situation IMO.

he has more responsibility as the face/ambassador of GG to the world & the "madtweeter" won't even tweet about this! by jcorb m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58398009#post58398009)

DNegs says in the new video that he needs to be more humble and work hard, then immediately says he doesn't care what any of us think or say — he knows best. Very contradictory messaging throughout the video.

AGREE + 100% by YaBoyINthe604 m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58374014#post58374014)

Lmao are you serious!?!? DNegs is ruining his marriage by thrusting a camera in Amanda's face every 2 and trying to brag that he married the young hot blonde lol. She wants nothing at to do with his stupid celebrity fame. DNegs is a beta, Amanda needs an alpha lol. DNegs is vegan gay lol not that I care lol. Point proven — recent vlog he's back to putting the camera right at ... See full post

again + 1000%

Amanda knew what she was getting into. its the often haopens story of the beautiful girl who messes around in her 20's and then is ready to settle down in her 30's and finds a provider. Dnegs could have easily gotten a younger mate without a history but he seems to have always had a crush on her so i understand.

Post under your main account dewey

by MyrnaFTW m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58416676#post58416676)

Amanda knew what she was getting into. its the often haopens story of the beautiful girl who messes around in her 20's and then is ready to settle down in her 30's and finds a provider. Dnegs could have easily gotten a younger mate without a history but he seems to have always had a crush on her so i understand.

I hope she has had some real coke can packages to make her final decision or someone that know's where her lil man in the boat is! I mean Jungleman did a vid-yo of some type-a Razzz poker that put him in simulated sex scenes with his models! by ALLNITSGOBROKE m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58416704#post58416704)

Post under your main account dewey

What you talking bout Edith, this is my one and only account, I just know you think I am going to FAIL! I used to love Danielle

by MyrnaFTW m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58416676#post58416676)

Amanda knew what she was getting into. its the often haopens story of the beautiful girl who messes around in her 20's and then is ready to settle down in her 30's and finds a provider. Dnegs could have easily gotten a younger mate without a history but he seems to have always had a crush on her so i understand.

exactly. he still thinks of her as the 25 year old she was when he met her meanwhile she spent her 20s and 30s as a vegas party girl. she knows how he views her, knows other guys wont see her this way and latched on to him for dear life before she gets too old to get another rich dude to take care of her.

by borg23 m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58416776#post58416776)

exactly. he still thinks of her as the 25 year old she was when he met her meanwhile she spent her 20s and 30s as a vegas party girl. she knows how he views her, knows other guys wont see her this way and latched on to him for dear life before she gets too old to get another rich dude to take care of her.

AND... she is f*****g winning big time. SHE picked the house and decorated it. Good for her. Putting up with him saying she looks like Charlize from "The Monster" in the morning is ALPHA asf according to Danielle. She has been harassed & used on VLOGS. GO AMANDA.

have not watched any of the recent videos so could be mistaken but... lol at saying amanda doesn't want to be on camera she literally chose a low paying career in a niche industry (thus limited upside) that granted exposure to being on camera - you don't do that kind of thing unless you want to be on camera she dated and then married a man who's primary source of income is being a public figure her protests are mostly a combination of trying to appear humble and also preferring to only be on camera after she's done her hair and makeup or under better lighting/camera angle (she without a doubt will know things like it gives the appearance of a double chin when you lay in bed with head on a pillow hence why she never wanted to be filmed there etc etc) i mean we're talking about a woman who would bring a step ladder into the poker room with her so when she interviewed people the viewing audience wouldn't realize how short she was but lol at thinking that a woman who voluntarily decides to discuss how she's had multiple boob jobs all paid for by various men on camera is a person who doesn't like to be the center of attention and instead valuees her privacy also what's interesting to me is that they genuinely seem like they are good for each other - they seem to get along, she certainly has embraced the housewife role, and daniel appears absolutely obsessed with her fun fact, now when i watch old poker videos where she is a part of the production, i now notice things i didn't before like how daniel always found excuses to go and spend time talking to her - like there's that one televized game which had a bar that players could go to on break and that's where amanda was to interview them and you'd see daniel suddenly not care so much about playing and want to take a lot of breaks to talk to her for extended periods dutch boyd also appears to have been obsessed and heartbroken by her as well, otherwise it's very difficult to explain the hit piece he did on her in his book that was made to look like a stream of consciously written anecdote and he only just happens to remember the girl's name at the end of the story and thus shared it

by rickroll m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58416847#post58416847)

haven't watched any of the recent videos so i could be wrong but... lol at saying amanda doesn't want to be on camera — she literally chose a low‑paying career in a niche field (so limited upside) that exposed her to being filmed - you don't pick that path unless you want to be on camera. she dated and then married a man whose main income comes from being a... See full post

SO YOU have watched the ENTIRE VLOG SERIES LOL by rickroll m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58416847#post58416847)

but lol at thinking that a woman who willingly talks about getting multiple boob jobs, all funded by different men, on camera is someone who dislikes being the center of attention and instead prefers privacy

Video with timestamps please! by rickroll m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58416847#post58416847)

also what's notable to me is that they actually seem right for each other - they get along, she has clearly adopted the housewife role, and daniel looks totally obsessed with her. fun fact: when i rewatch old poker videos she was involved with, i now pick up on details i missed before, like how daniel constantly found reasons to go and sp... See full post

Videos & timestamps for all please?

by deweycox m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58416956#post58416956)

SO U have watched all THE VLOG SERIES LOL

i have watched a bunch of his older ones, as far as poker vlogs go, his wsop stuff is some of the best stuff out there imo i've been meaning to watch the more recent ones but haven't had the time to yet by deweycox m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58416956#post58416956)

[B]Video with timestamps please! Videos & timestamps for all please?

all this stuff was discussed itt, you can search here and find it all - that's how i came across it all

Are there any photos or videos of her interviewing poker players while standing on a step ladder? lol

I met her while she was dating Joe Sebok. My wife says she recalls an on-camera interview in which Joe was asked about marriage and either dismissed it or said he didn’t want to settle down (that’s how my wife remembers it), and she said Amanda appeared heartbroken by that.

by deweycox m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58416956#post58416956)

Can anyone share videos and timestamps for all of these?

RR seldom posts material that can be verified. Don’t expect citations.

Daniel live now against Alex and Kristen Foxen Daniel Negreanu, Kristen Foxen & Alex Foxen Headline PGT Kick-Off Final Table - YouTube

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Daniel Negreanu, Kristen Foxen & Alex Foxen Headline PGT Kick-Off Final Table (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn9Ny3XAWjk)PokerGO (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOPw3R-TUUNqgN2bQyidW2w) PokerGO720K subscribers

by deweycox m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58416361#post58416361)

He is one of the most successful tournament players in the world and is a regular in cash games at the highest level.

this can't be true. he has said himself he doesn't ever get involved in private games due to the inherent shady nature of them and he virtually never plays any tv shows or streams. is he in the Vegas high stakes games? doubtful, right? he's a HS tourney donk these days as far as i know. by rickroll m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58416847#post58416847)

... also what's interesting to me is that they genuinely seem like they are good for each other - they seem to get along, she certainly has embraced the housewife role, and daniel appears absolutely obsessed with her ...

you mean doing whatever she wants, whenever she wants, and never doing any house chores whatsoever? embracing having ENDLESS TRUNKS OF MONEY and no worries isn't really a great feat to accomplish. she's basically living every gold digger's dream (although i do think she really does like Daniel as well).

Kristen dominated and then defeated Daniel HU.

by MastaAces m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58420853#post58420853)

you mean doing whatever she wants, whenever she wants, and never doing any house chores whatsoever? embracing having ENDLESS TRUNKS OF MONEY and no worries isn't really a great feat to accomplish. she's basically living every gold digger's dream (although i do think she really does like Daniel as well).

i know this is a lost concept on a lot of people, but there's a very large amount of people out in the world who wouldn't want that life they are called "kept women" for a reason

by rickroll m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58421004#post58421004)

i know this is a lost concept on a lot of people, but there's a very large amount of people out in the world who wouldn't want that life they are called "kept women" for a reason

obviously there are women (and men) with integrity still left in this world but we are talking about a prior Vegas party girl. she definitely wants the life she has chosen. just because most people wouldn't resign to such a position in life doesn't mean it is unattractive for everyone.

So DN has a first place and a second place so far this year?

by parisron m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58417051#post58417051)

Are there photos or footage of her employing a step ladder while interviewing poker players? lol

yes, I believe it appeared in the "behind the scenes" clips where they also squeezed her into a kitchen cabinet

From his 2nd place finish: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcvEViTa... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcvEViTa4xY)

Well played by both players — they both understood the situation and allowed it to unfold. What's notable about today's 'high level' poker is how willing they are to discuss it afterward. He recognized she was bluffing; she realized the only path to victory was to stab at the river. He understood it too — and had the courage — to shove because it was the correct and only move to take to win the pot. GL

by deuceblocker m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58423016#post58423016)

From his 2nd place finish: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcvEViTa... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcvEViTa4xY)

It’s not hard to embed videos

It was a double‑paired board in a limped pot, so it was likely both players held less than J high, and her value‑betting range was narrow. She erred by not shoving. She couldn’t call a shove while getting something like 6-1. This hand illustrates DN’s strength. I believe he showed, and it was clear she also had to have been bluffing.

She made an aggressive call pre-flop, honoring Vanessa Rousso.

Daniel and Berkey been going at it back and forth on X, too much to post.

by parisron m (https://www.twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58447252#post58447252)

Daniel and Berkey been going at it back and forth on X, too much to post.

Cliffs?

Here is some of it.